what is the name for this?

[Dukeof Kircaldy]

well, if you are serious about the Montrose doublet, go to ebay and hope to get lucky as I did. Sure that may sound totally conceited, but it was sheer luck finding one that fit as well as that did.

On the other hand, I would consider a sheriffmuir doublet if I were doing it again, and still might get one. The sheriffmuir isn't as tailored and also isn't going to get as hot.

Anyway, my buckle brogues are military surplus Scottish Mess Dress Buckle Brogues that I picked up on eBay. Bugpiper has a pretty good selection of the buckle brogues.

Anyway, I didn't have proper brogues of any sort until fairly recently. Quite a few people don't. And unless you are a kilt snob, it probably doesn't matter.

[McMurdo]

I have tried ebay, and was beat out last time, I will continue to look there as well as the local shops.

[Phil]

I have tried ebay, and was beat out last time, I will continue to look there as well as the local shops.

Take a trip to Edinburgh. Armstrongs in the Grassmarket had a whole lot of them last time I looked in.

[Chef]

I feel betrayed! How can a fellow kilt snob HATE buckled dress brogues?

Fear not brother, I said I hate them not that I didn't wear them. As much as I dislike them I figure if they are good enough for an officer they are good enough for me. Besides, tis the burden we must bear as a proper "Kilt Snob"

I didn't know what was wrong until I saw a pair dating from BTHW (Before The Hitler War). These were patent leather (like mine) but made with extremely think soles, virtually no welt, and had less of a rounded toe. WOWEE!!! What an elegant shoe. Possibly even elegant enough for Lord Snooty to change his mind.

I think I've seen a picture of these and your right they do look much better, now if we can just find a couple of pairs in the right size.

(Love the new avatar, BTW)

Thanks, I just wish Lord Snooty had worn a kilt.

[Jack Daw]

The shoe referred to above are buckle brogues:


They are considered the dressiest kilt shoe although I truly hate them.

With all due respect to those that like them, you'll never catch me wearing the mary janes. I'm not too crazy about ghillie brogues either, but that's as far as I will go for semi-formal and formal.

I have two pair of the brogues. One is for semi-formal and formal; and, the other is to wear for piping competitions. Most competitions are held outdoors, sometimes in the rain; somtimes on ranch land.

[sharpdressedscot]

Hmm, no offense but I don't like the brogues either, I dunno they look like something my mom would wear... but that's just my opinion, I don't want to start anything.

[Phil]

Hmm, no offense but I don't like the brogues either, I dunno they look like something my mom would wear... but that's just my opinion, I don't want to start anything.

Hmm, no offense but I don't like the brogues either, I dunno they look like something my mom would wear... but that's just my opinion, I don't want to start anything.

Don't you think there are enough people in this world passing judgement on others based on their own gender stereotypes? My mom never wore anything remotely like these buckle brogues and, if you were honest, neither did yours. She may have sometimes worn patent shoes. She may even have sometimes worn patent shoes with a strap across the top of her foot. She might even once have worn shoes with silver buckles on them, although I doubt that. But she will not have worn patent shoes with pierced leather in the fashion of brogues and with silver buckles. They are a particular style of shoe which has, perhaps, now gone out of fashion just like the black & white co-respondent shoes or spats that people used to wear 50 or 60 years ago. Montrose and sheriffmuir doublets are possibly throwbacks to the 1700's and PCs and regulation or dress doublets to Victorian times. This does not mean your "mom" would have worn them either, just that you have a stereotypical attitude to what is and is not acceptable forms of dress, entirely dependant on which gender an accident of birth has bestowed upon you. The natural progression from this is to then ask yourself the question "Should I really be wearing a kilt, as it is a form of clothing not too dissimilar from that worn by many female members of the society I live in including, of course, my mom?"

[thescot]

Having seen the buckle brogues, (and being a bit of a kilt snob as well), I must say that they really do look good when one is dressed appropiately. And they don't look quite as "Mary Jane-ish" on a kilted gentleman as the shoes alone might look.

My mom never wore anything remotely similar, but my granddaughter does, and she is 9 months old and gorgeous!

I don't own a pair of the brogues--yet--but they're on my 'round tuit list. One day, when my wardrobe is complete, I'll have a pair for those really special occassions.

BTW--as I've stated elsewhere, pop for the Sherrifmuir if you can. The proper fitting Montrose gets pretty tight if you gain any weight at all, and it's hot as a two-dollar pitol.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

BTW--as I've stated elsewhere, pop for the Sherrifmuir if you can. The proper fitting Montrose gets pretty tight if you gain any weight at all, and it's hot as a two-dollar pistol.

I'll second that-- It is also far more comfortable to wear sitting down as well, as it falls open rather than riding up. And it has one other virtue. Unlike the PC or Montrose (both of which are about as common as elbows), a Sherrifmuir always stands out in a crowd.

Especially if worn with buckle-and-strap brogues.