Thanks everyone. This was a one off design, mainly RKilt with a wider apron. Not to take credit away from Robert but I do feel that this was a true collaboration, some ideas of mine and Robert's interperation and design. I would like to see some of these features in future RKilts and as far as I'm concerned Robert is more than welcome carry these over. Perhaps it's time to let him know what interests you in future RKilts, I know I got exactly what I was hoping for (except, as Colin so kindly () pointed out, the pletera of lovely ladies wanting to kilt check me).