Black Stewart

[bjcustard]

Could anyone fill me in on the whens/wheres/whos with respect to the origins of the Black Stewart tartan?

Thanks In Advance...

[gilmore]

According to Scottish tartan Authority at

http://www.tartansauthority.com/web/site/cart2.asp

the designer and source are unknown, but its date of origin is pre-1960. Perhaps some one who is a member of STA can access the restricted part of their website that has more information.

Tartans of Scotland has 2:

1)http://www.tartans.scotland.net/tart...m?tartan_id=84

This sett appears in Paton's collection. The samples are undated but the collection is known to have been put together around the 1830's, with some additions during the Victorian period.
The source of tartan 1073 was: Paton's collection

2)http://www.tartans.scotland.net/tart...tartan_id=2056

Pattern seen at open meeting of Fort Augustus Scottish Womens Rural Institute.

Neither of the latter resemble the first very much.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Keep in mind that the Royal Stewart tartan is one of the most popular tartans, and is "the" classic tartan in the minds of many. Both the tartan industry (those that produce cloth specifically with Highland Dress in mind) and the fashion industry at large have long realized this.

Therefore you will see numerous "variations on a theme" built around the Royal Stewart. Usually this is done simply by changing the main background color.

Thus you have the Black Stewart, the Dress Stewart, the Dress Blue Stewart, Camel Stewart, Grey Stewart, Blue Stewart (which is Macbeth), Purple Stewart, and lots of others.

No great mystery, just a variation of the Royal Stewart.
Aye,
Matt

[Panache]

Keep in mind that the Royal Stewart tartan is one of the most popular tartans, and is "the" classic tartan in the minds of many. Both the tartan industry (those that produce cloth specifically with Highland Dress in mind) and the fashion industry at large have long realized this.

Therefore you will see numerous "variations on a theme" built around the Royal Stewart. Usually this is done simply by changing the main background color.

Thus you have the Black Stewart, the Dress Stewart, the Dress Blue Stewart, Camel Stewart, Grey Stewart, Blue Stewart (which is Macbeth), Purple Stewart, and lots of others.

No great mystery, just a variation of the Royal Stewart.
Aye,
Matt

So are all of the Stewart variations "universal tartans"?

Cheers

[Galb]

From Wiki:
Originally a variation on the Stewart of Galloway clan tartan, and as such a bona fide Stewart tartan, it was favoured by the Royal Family, wherefore many people consider it a Royal tartan. For this reason, it became a much sought-after tartan with the Highland regiments; and this, again, led to its present-day popularity, where it functions, for all practical purposes, as THE Scottish Tartan, being used with everything for shortbread boxes to mugs and miniskirts. Queen Anne, foreseeing this development, remedied it once and for all by affirming that the British sovereign was to be considered clan chief of all Britons - English, Scots, Welsh and Irish - and that every (loyal) British subject therefore had the right to display her/his allegiance to the clan chief by wearing the clan tartan of the United Kingdom The Royal Stewart.

So there you have it in regards to the Royal Stewart Tartan, which the Black is derived from, so I think it is safe to say that both tartans are "safe" and "unrestricted" or "universal". ;)

Sorry to bump a two year old thread, but I noticed this when I was doing my own search.

[bjproc]

From Wiki:
Originally a variation on the Stewart of Galloway clan tartan, and as such a bona fide Stewart tartan, it was favoured by the Royal Family, wherefore many people consider it a Royal tartan. For this reason, it became a much sought-after tartan with the Highland regiments; and this, again, led to its present-day popularity, where it functions, for all practical purposes, as THE Scottish Tartan, being used with everything for shortbread boxes to mugs and miniskirts. Queen Anne, foreseeing this development, remedied it once and for all by affirming that the British sovereign was to be considered clan chief of all Britons - English, Scots, Welsh and Irish - and that every (loyal) British subject therefore had the right to display her/his allegiance to the clan chief by wearing the clan tartan of the United Kingdom The Royal Stewart.

So there you have it in regards to the Royal Stewart Tartan, which the Black is derived from, so I think it is safe to say that both tartans are "safe" and "unrestricted" or "universal". ;)

Sorry to bump a two year old thread, but I noticed this when I was doing my own search.

lol, i just read that the other night

[Morris at Heathfield]

Queen Anne?

[macwilkin]

From Wiki:
Originally a variation on the Stewart of Galloway clan tartan, and as such a bona fide Stewart tartan, it was favoured by the Royal Family, wherefore many people consider it a Royal tartan. For this reason, it became a much sought-after tartan with the Highland regiments; and this, again, led to its present-day popularity, where it functions, for all practical purposes, as THE Scottish Tartan, being used with everything for shortbread boxes to mugs and miniskirts. Queen Anne, foreseeing this development, remedied it once and for all by affirming that the British sovereign was to be considered clan chief of all Britons - English, Scots, Welsh and Irish - and that every (loyal) British subject therefore had the right to display her/his allegiance to the clan chief by wearing the clan tartan of the United Kingdom The Royal Stewart.

So there you have it in regards to the Royal Stewart Tartan, which the Black is derived from, so I think it is safe to say that both tartans are "safe" and "unrestricted" or "universal". ;)

Sorry to bump a two year old thread, but I noticed this when I was doing my own search.

Look at the source -- Wikipedia. Does it footnote where this claim is from, or provide a works cited page? If it doesn't, then I wouldn't allow one of my students to cite it as a source in their research.

Also, I'm a bit supicious of the claim that "Queen Anne" authorizing her subjects to wear a tartan.

T.

[Galb]

Look at the source -- Wikipedia. Does it footnote where this claim is from, or provide a works cited page? If it doesn't, then I wouldn't allow one of my students to cite it as a source in their research.

Also, I'm a bit supicious of the claim that "Queen Anne" authorizing her subjects to wear a tartan.

T.

Yeah, I think a citation may be needed there. Thing is, I've seen this reprinted somewhere else and I bloody cannot find it. It might not have mentioned Queen Anne specifically, however, it did mention that the tartan of a royal family could be worn by all their subjects just as clan members wear their chief's tartan.

This kind of thing drives me nuts. I find something, and then when I need to cite it, I cannot locate it for the life of me. I'll do some searching today "in between" my workload. ;)

EDIT: I found this so far: http://tartans.byair.net/index.php?t...=royal-stewart

The best known of all Scottish tartans, the Royal Stewart is the tartan of the Royal House of Stewart and the personal tartan of Her Majesty the Queen. In the same way that clansmen wear the tartan of their chief, it is appropriate for all subjects of the Queen to wear the Royal Stewart tartan.

[Galb]

Look at the source -- Wikipedia. Does it footnote where this claim is from, or provide a works cited page? If it doesn't, then I wouldn't allow one of my students to cite it as a source in their research.

Also, I'm a bit supicious of the claim that "Queen Anne" authorizing her subjects to wear a tartan.

T.

I think you should set them straight. Afterall, I see your name on the wiki page for tartans. ;) hehe.

You have me wary of the tartan now. Could it, now be considered not a universal or unrestricted tartan? Or is it simply the tartan of the Royal family?