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26th June 08, 04:24 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by Galb
From Wiki:
Originally a variation on the Stewart of Galloway clan tartan, and as such a bona fide Stewart tartan, it was favoured by the Royal Family, wherefore many people consider it a Royal tartan. For this reason, it became a much sought-after tartan with the Highland regiments; and this, again, led to its present-day popularity, where it functions, for all practical purposes, as THE Scottish Tartan, being used with everything for shortbread boxes to mugs and miniskirts. Queen Anne, foreseeing this development, remedied it once and for all by affirming that the British sovereign was to be considered clan chief of all Britons - English, Scots, Welsh and Irish - and that every (loyal) British subject therefore had the right to display her/his allegiance to the clan chief by wearing the clan tartan of the United Kingdom The Royal Stewart.
So there you have it in regards to the Royal Stewart Tartan, which the Black is derived from, so I think it is safe to say that both tartans are "safe" and "unrestricted" or "universal". ;)
Sorry to bump a two year old thread, but I noticed this when I was doing my own search. 
Look at the source -- Wikipedia. Does it footnote where this claim is from, or provide a works cited page? If it doesn't, then I wouldn't allow one of my students to cite it as a source in their research.
Also, I'm a bit supicious of the claim that "Queen Anne" authorizing her subjects to wear a tartan. 
T.
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26th June 08, 05:47 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Look at the source -- Wikipedia. Does it footnote where this claim is from, or provide a works cited page? If it doesn't, then I wouldn't allow one of my students to cite it as a source in their research.
Also, I'm a bit supicious of the claim that "Queen Anne" authorizing her subjects to wear a tartan.
T.
Yeah, I think a citation may be needed there. Thing is, I've seen this reprinted somewhere else and I bloody cannot find it. It might not have mentioned Queen Anne specifically, however, it did mention that the tartan of a royal family could be worn by all their subjects just as clan members wear their chief's tartan.
This kind of thing drives me nuts. I find something, and then when I need to cite it, I cannot locate it for the life of me. I'll do some searching today "in between" my workload. ;)
EDIT: I found this so far: http://tartans.byair.net/index.php?t...=royal-stewart
The best known of all Scottish tartans, the Royal Stewart is the tartan of the Royal House of Stewart and the personal tartan of Her Majesty the Queen. In the same way that clansmen wear the tartan of their chief, it is appropriate for all subjects of the Queen to wear the Royal Stewart tartan.
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26th June 08, 06:02 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Look at the source -- Wikipedia. Does it footnote where this claim is from, or provide a works cited page? If it doesn't, then I wouldn't allow one of my students to cite it as a source in their research.
Also, I'm a bit supicious of the claim that "Queen Anne" authorizing her subjects to wear a tartan.
T.
I think you should set them straight. Afterall, I see your name on the wiki page for tartans. ;) hehe.
You have me wary of the tartan now. Could it, now be considered not a universal or unrestricted tartan? Or is it simply the tartan of the Royal family?
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26th June 08, 06:10 AM
#4
So if the background is changed to orange, would it be Tony Stewart???
"A sharp knife is nothing without a sharp eye"
-Koloth
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26th June 08, 07:47 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by kallen
So if the background is changed to orange, would it be Tony Stewart???

BAD JOKE! Shoo! Bad little monkey!! buttkick:
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26th June 08, 08:41 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by Galb
I think you should set them straight. Afterall, I see your name on the wiki page for tartans. ;) hehe.
You have me wary of the tartan now. Could it, now be considered not a universal or unrestricted tartan? Or is it simply the tartan of the Royal family?
Are you thinking of Matt Newsome? I don't see my name listed on the tartan entry in Wikipedia.
Royal Stuart is most certainly a universal tartan, given its widespread availability in everything from kilts to shortbread tins.
T.
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26th June 08, 09:16 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Are you thinking of Matt Newsome? I don't see my name listed on the tartan entry in Wikipedia.
Royal Stuart is most certainly a universal tartan, given its widespread availability in everything from kilts to shortbread tins.
T.
DOH! Yes, yes I was. I have no idea why I pointed to you. It must be because I'm wearing pants today...obviously my head is not where it should be. I'm finding that being at work is also not helping matters. This is my fourth "Monday" in a row.
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26th June 08, 10:09 AM
#8
 Originally Posted by Galb
DOH! Yes, yes I was. I have no idea why I pointed to you.  It must be because I'm wearing pants today...obviously my head is not where it should be. I'm finding that being at work is also not helping matters. This is my fourth "Monday" in a row. 
No worries...I'm not offended in the slightest to be confused wi' Matt. 
T.
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