Ghillie brogues, yes or no?

[DWFII]

I thought the buckle on the "mary janes" was up on the instep nearer to the ankle... But I can't look at the pictures. For some reason, I thought the main difference between those and other buckle shoes is that there isn't a tongue or piece of leather over the instep area. Guess the ghillie brogues don't have the tongue either...

Although, I seem to remember the "Quaker" and "Pilgrem" shoes being depicted as having the instep covered, but with the buckle in the same area.

I remember the depictions of the pipers on the short bread tins usually having on the "mary janes," as well as, some kind of doublet and so on...

Just saying what I have to go by...

Since you cannot see the illustrations...allow me to offer a description: There are two buckles on a each shoe of a pair of buckle brogues...one small functional buckle high on the side of the instep and another larger, purely ornamental, one over the ball joint area.

On a buckle shoe such as might have been worn by any man (sometimes women) during the 18th to 19th century, the buckle is centered over the middle cuniform...somewhere near the pronounced bone ridge that may be felt on top of the instep. There is only one buckle per shoe and it may range from and inch and a half square, to two and a half inches long by almost two inches wide..