The Mayflower

[Cawdorian]

http://www.ancientplanters.org/

I also descend almost totally from Southerners, including Jamestowne immigrants Christopher Branch and John Rolfe, and the latter's wife, Pocahontas.

Gil, this must make us distant cousins, I am a descendant of John Rolfe and his pre-Pochahontas wife Jane Pierce on my father's side of the family. My mother's family are descendants of some of the earlier settlers of Jamestown (Thomas Thornbury and his wife Alice Lane), he is listed on the Ancient Planter's website noted above. The genealogy of most of these folks are well documented

Most of my ancestors came out of the Virginia and Pennsylvania areas, I don't have any ancestors that came over on the Mayflower either.

[McFarkus]

But what about the Vikings? Weren't they in Newfoundland around 1000?

And how about St. Brendan the Navigator? Didn't he show up in Nova Scotia sometime in the early 6th century?

And weren't there some Phoenician inscriptions found in South America?

And I seem to remember something about Chinese anchors found off the coast of California.

LIke I said, the English settlers here didn't believe that any one else matters.

[macwilkin]

LIke I said, the English settlers here didn't believe that any one else matters.

And again, the English were not alone in this attitude. The French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese all practiced colonial mercantilism to exclude other nations from creating empires, not to mention their relations with the native peoples.

It's easy to blame the English, but it really doesn't take into account the whole of the colonial period in North American history. It also smacks of "anti-English" bashing.

Regards,

Todd

[gilmore]

Gil, this must make us distant cousins, I am a descendant of John Rolfe and his pre-Pochahontas wife Elizabeth Pierce on my father's side of the family. ...

So, we must be half-thirteenth or 14th cousins, perhaps a few times removed?

[Riverkilt]

Maybe, I should just defer to the Massachusetts State Tartan...



Ron

[SteveB]

I have mentioned my Mayflower ancestry as this thread is about a Mayflower tartan. Most of us in the Mayflower Society do not dispute the settlement at Jamestowne. After all Stephen Hopkins of the Mayflower, was also on the first vessel to Jamestowne, but had returned to England, then came back to the "Northern parts of Virginia" with the Mayflower. Another of my ancestors was a settler at Jamestowne. In North America, we are a melting pot. Our society has become so mobile that a gentleman I work with has patrilinial lines to Cuba, hence his Spanish name, and lineage to the Mayflower. His mother is a Jamestowne descendant, as well as Scot, French, and German. He was born in Miami, Fl, and has grown up in Virginia, currently has his home in New York, and works in Massachusetts.
The migration is such that the Canadian Society of Mayflower Descendants a few Congresses ago had most of their Howland, and Warren descendants from British Columbia.
By the time my fingers got this far, I had forgotten who posted about John Alden ancestry. The Alden Kindred have a wonderful genealogist who is very helpful on filling the lineage information trail. I believe the webbie is www.alden.org, then click on the family tree and see how close it gets to you. You may be surprised. She responds well to email.

[Riverkilt]

What an incredible website - thanks Steve. Looks like I can help them add to the project.

Ron

[SteveB]

Ron and John,
Alicia is a past Historian of the Massachusetts Society. She is the chief researcher of the Alden "silver". She is also the genealogist for the Alden Kindred. I mentioned the website as John had mentioned proving his line. Just about everything that is on the Alden Kindred website is already proven genealogy. Alicia does not believe in reinventing the wheel. The proof is needed to extend the branches from the already mature trunk. Ron - she welcomes contributions from all, not just those joining the Kindred. I have had the pleasure of working with her when I accidentally ran into some solid Alden descendant vital records that established a few more generations for her. I am not blessed with an Alden/Mullins line.
Cheers -- Steve

[Riverkilt]

Thanks Steve,

I'll get ahold of her soon. I can extend Oren Brett 29614 seven more generations down to my grandkids.

Ron

[IRISH]

very late to this interesting thread, and not to take away from anyone's connection to the mayflower voyagers, but i'm reminded of the remarkable early passages of colin woodard's the lobster coast in which he writes about the early fishing colonies of maine inhabited by scotch-irish (funded by english investors) and their predating plymouth rock by roughly a decade.

apologies if this is off topic or has been covered previously.