Hats?

[Casey_in_Carolina]

It might be a newsboy cap. Tweed can work alright with a tartan kilt if the colors go. I have worn a tweed flat cap or driving cap.

Just remember that wearing a flat cap with a kilt is an American style, and is never ever done in Scotland.

First off, I think you, and the others, are correct, I think it's a newsboy cap. I just couldn't think of that when I made my original post, all I could think of was paperboy, and I knew that wasn't right

I also had no idea that the style of hat, newsboy or flatcap, wouldn't be worn with a kilt in Scotland. Why is that? Is the Glengarry or Balmoral so much more popular that you just wouldn't see it, or is there some prejudice against the flatcap, or what?

I really love my newsboy, and have just about worn it out. It was a gift from friend of the family years and years ago, so I guess I'll have to go on a hunt to find a replacement. I'll also have to look and see if I can find it in different patterns or colors or solids.

Thanks for all of the input guys.

Casey


PS - just checked, and it is an eight panel Newsboy from the "Stanley-Evans Custom Collection", or so sayeth the label It's made in the US and has a brown liner which could be silk or polyester made to look liek silk, that has the trademarked name "Pendleton" embroidered in it in several places.

[BoldHighlander]

Ted, do you still have all those links I posted to one of your threads for Newsboys & Flat Caps?
Can you post them here?

[Bugbear]

Ted, do you still have all those links I posted to one of your threads for Newsboys & Flat Caps?
Can you post them here?

These are some links to flat caps that BoldHighlander provided in one of my threads.

Ivy Cap

(Cavanagh) Flat Cap
Irish Flat Cap
(brown or gray tweeds)

Here's several more hat links I've collected:

Riverkilt's thread "Great Hat Source" with Links to hats

Russet Lodge Custom Knits

The Scottish Tartans Museum's bonnets

BIG HEAD CAPS "Big hats for Big heads-EXTRA LARGE SIZED ONLY"


Thread with Hat Paterns


I do have others, but I will have to look around for them.

[Derek Conley]

Perhaps one of you gents can help me out here and clarify...

Would this Barnton cap be essentially the same as an "Ivy" cap?

I'm trying to learn all the differences and I'd like to get the "Barnton cap" in USMC Leatherneck tartan. I'm sure I'll order it anyways but I'm just trying to learn if "Ivy" and "Barnton" are all the same thing!

[BoldHighlander]

Perhaps one of you gents can help me out here and clarify...

Would this Barnton cap be essentially the same as an "Ivy" cap?

Hi Derek -- in my opinion I'd say "yes"
It's a "flat cap" (another variation of the name).

[Derek Conley]

Hi Derek -- in my opinion I'd say "yes"
It's a "flat cap" (another variation of the name).

I appreciate the confirmation; I kept looking at them both and determined (to my untrained eye) that they looked... well... the same. I just wanted to make sure!

Unfortunately, the company to which I posted a link in my original post does not offer that cap in the "Leatherneck" tartan... so I'll have to search elsewhere.

This brings me to another question: is it "too much" to wear a flat cap with the same tartan as your kilt... or is it best to go with a more complimentary-colored cap?

[Jock Scot]

I think one can overdo the tartan bit and in my humble opinion a cap(if you must) in tartan is overdoing it, when worn with the kilt. The other thing to watch out for, is mixing tartans. Now wearing a clan tartan kilt and a bonnet of a different tartan,but of the same clan would be OK. But wearing tartans of different clans would not be courtious to either clan and in some cases, will cause offence.

[Jock Scot]

First off, I think you, and the others, are correct, I think it's a newsboy cap. I just couldn't think of that when I made my original post, all I could think of was paperboy, and I knew that wasn't right

I also had no idea that the style of hat, newsboy or flatcap, wouldn't be worn with a kilt in Scotland. Why is that? Is the Glengarry or Balmoral so much more popular that you just wouldn't see it, or is there some prejudice against the flatcap, or what?

I really love my newsboy, and have just about worn it out. It was a gift from friend of the family years and years ago, so I guess I'll have to go on a hunt to find a replacement. I'll also have to look and see if I can find it in different patterns or colors or solids.

Thanks for all of the input guys.

Casey


PS - just checked, and it is an eight panel Newsboy from the "Stanley-Evans Custom Collection", or so sayeth the label It's made in the US and has a brown liner which could be silk or polyester made to look liek silk, that has the trademarked name "Pendleton" embroidered in it in several places.

For some reason,that I don't know, flat caps have not been worn with the kilt in Scotland, since about 1914.There is plenty of photographic evidence of tweed caps being worn with the kilt before then. It is now never seen as kilt attire here. Usually we go bare headed when wearing the kilt, the occasional balmoral is seen and apart from pipe bands, members of the tartan army and visitors, the glengarry is almost never seen as civilian wear,nor is,I am glad to say, the John Deere type hat. If the weather is too bad most kilt wearers(rare anyway)will wear a "fore and aft".

[gilmore]

For some reason,that I don't know, flat caps have not been worn with the kilt in Scotland, since about 1914.There is plenty of photographic evidence of tweed caps being worn with the kilt before then. It is now never seen as kilt attire here. Usually we go bare headed when wearing the kilt, the occasional balmoral is seen and apart from pipe bands, members of the tartan army and visitors, the glengarry is almost never seen as civilian wear,nor is,I am glad to say, the John Deere type hat. If the weather is too bad most kilt wearers(rare anyway)will wear a "fore and aft".

I have always heard that here in the U.S. flat caps went out of style because they became associated with being worn by criminals and other unsavory folk in the 1930's and '40's or so.

I would like to wear a balmoral (or even a glengarry) more often, but once again a problem we have is that clothing that evolved for Scotland's climate isn't always so good elsewhere in the world.

I have had one skin cancer already, and my dermotologist strongly encourages me to wear both sun screen and a hat that shades the face and neck, if I must go out in the sun, in order to avoid others. I have read that in Australia and the US and other sunny places settled by Europeans the incidence of skin cancer is on the rise. Most of them aren't too serious, especially if treated in time, but melanoma can be fatal.

I have taken to wearing a fairly wide-brimmed Panama straw hat outdoors with a kilt, the kind that was worn with a suit in the South until a couple of decades ago, something like these http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...h+Images&gbv=2 It's cool, well-ventilated, and gives some shade. It might not be entirely correct or consistent, but I don't think risking cancer is sufficient reason to be excrutiatingly fashionable..

[BoldHighlander]

I have always heard that here in the U.S. flat caps went out of style because they became associated with being worn by criminals and other unsavory folk in the 1930's and '40's or so.

That maybe, but there seems to have been a resurgence of the flat cap, at least around here. You can't swing the proverbial dead cat without striking someone sporting one (& it's not just the local college crowd wearing them either). Toss in the occasional (& around here rare) 8-panel newsboy, like my own

I know they are very popular with my friends in the greaser-rockabilly scene in California & across the country.