"LONG JOHNS" with a KILT ????

[BoldHighlander]

If the conditions are that bad, then I say dress for them, and leave the kilt at home, however if the gent in question is set on wearing the kilt then he should wear it without long johns underneath.

I'm not saying wear them with long johns, there are other options provided (as I provided earlier), *but* I also think folks need to give a newbie a break. At least he's making an effort.

[McMurdo]

I'm not saying wear them with long johns, there are other options provided (as I provided earlier), *but* I also think folks need to give a newbie a break. At least he's making an effort.

I respectfully disagree, here is why. I started wearing the kilt as a reflection of my heritage, therefore I went to lengths to ensure that I was indeed wearing it properly. The attitude of "ive the newbie a break"does not work because if you do then you get all sorts of things that someone calls a kilt, giving the newbie a break does him a dis-service, however educating him on the proper way to wear a kilt will not steer him wrong.

[BoldHighlander]

I respectfully disagree, here is why. I started wearing the kilt as a reflection of my heritage, therefore I went to lengths to ensure that I was indeed wearing it properly. The attitude of "ive the newbie a break"does not work because if you do then you get all sorts of things that someone calls a kilt, giving the newbie a break does him a dis-service, however educating him on the proper way to wear a kilt will not steer him wrong.

Ahh, but here is the rub (& has been discussed else where before) what is "proper"?
With under wear or without?
That really is what we are talking about here (at least I am ) & I am *NOT* advocating long johns under the kilt (see my earlier post -- #9 -- on this thread).

[McMurdo]

Ahh, but here is the rub (& has been discussed else where before) what is "proper"?
With under wear or without?
That really is what we are talking about here (at least I am ) & I am *NOT* advocating long johns under the kilt (see my earlier post -- #9 -- on this thread).

I agree that neither one is saying that he should be wearing long johns under his kilt, I just really have a problem with "Giving the newbie a break" when what he is doing is so obviously incorrect. To my mind "At least he's making an effort" is akin to "He doesn't really know what he's doing"

[BoldHighlander]

I agree that neither one is saying that he should be wearing long johns under his kilt, I just really have a problem with "Giving the newbie a break" when what he is doing is so obviously incorrect. To my mind "At least he's making an effort" is akin to "He doesn't really know what he's doing"

I think Glen the both of us are in greater agreement than we imagined at first
I also think if this conversation was in person we'd realize it sooner. That is the problem with this electronic medium sometimes, the meaning etc gets lost in translation.

What I meant by "give the newbie a break" was the whole "Man up, wear the kilt the way it was meant to be worn" attitude that tends to shout at me that if you don't wear it regimental than your less than a man (of course I maybe losing something in the translation) when even our Scottish friends are in disagreement over what's "proper" (regimental vs none regimental)....my thought being if the "newbie" is making an effort by wearing some form of under wear (other than long johns) then cut him some slack.
Again, I might be missing something in the translation, but that is what I take from it.

I think in the long run he's got a good mentor in Puffer who'll see to it he doesn't stray far

Cheers!

[McMurdo]

Terry

Agreed I do think we are closer to agreement than first imagined. You are right if he does follow the lead of those around him he should do fine.

[BoldHighlander]

Terry

Agreed I do think we are closer to agreement than first imagined. You are right if he does follow the lead of those around him he should do fine.

And I expect a full report from Puffer & photos too! (maybe Puffer can get his friend to sign up on XMarks?)

[Zardoz]

Here I am with Mrs.Zardoz in my early days of kilt wearing at Sunspot in Winter Park CO. I don't recall the altitude there but it is the highest point in Winter Park, over 10,000 feet. The temp was about 26- 27 degrees, sunny with a light breeze. In the picture I'm wearing a "old model" acrylic Stillwater standard, good wool hose, and a chamois shirt with a thermal undershirt, and a wool felt hat. Shelley as you can see, is wearing everything she owns!
Since I am from the tropics, (Houston, where it last snowed in 1972) and was unsure how warm the kilt would really be in this situation, I started off the day with a big coat and some thigh length thermal undershorts. As soon as we walked from the chairlift to the lodge I stowed the coat and the shorts in a locker because I was too hot. Looking back, I think that acrylic kilt was warmer than my 13 oz wool kilts are. In any event, I think if the fellow in question is going to be wearing a heavy mil-spec kilt as was mentioned, and good kacket and hat, I don't think any extra undergarments would be called for. Just be sure and do a good sweep before sitting on any outdoor benches!

[gilmore]

If it feels really cold I will wear flesh coloured tights (pantihose) with my woolen socks. No one will notice and I dont care

There is precedent for this. It is said that George IV wore pink tights under his kilt during his famous visit to Edinburgh that was coordinated by Sir Walter Scott and lead to the revival of the wearing of the kilt and of Highland dress.

[haxtonhouse]

Have him come over here to Montana for a winter to toughen up Puffer- then He wilna feel so cold when he goes back to the tropical west coast!:
I wear my kilt even at sub zero temps, it's not so bad!