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25th February 09, 09:04 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by Phil
I am guessing that you wore a hired outfit. I know it is very usual here in Scotland to see wedding guests during the day wearing PC's and it is most likely because they have hired the outfits. It is perfectly OK for the evening reception but a PC should not properly be worn during the day. Not that that is any reason to stop you, just that it is not considered correct.
Isn't a grey tail coat (the name escapes me at the moment) the correct attire for the groom and groomsmen for a morning/ early afternoon wedding?
In which case would a charcoal argyll jacket, waist coat, dress shirt, and bow tie be most correct for a Highland wedding at the same time?
Cheers
Jamie
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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25th February 09, 09:28 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by Panache
Isn't a grey tail coat (the name escapes me at the moment) the correct attire for the groom and groomsmen for a morning/ early afternoon wedding?
In which case would a charcoal argyll jacket, waist coat, dress shirt, and bow tie be most correct for a Highland wedding at the same time?
Cheers
Jamie
If I may chip in here. The morning coat (top hat,tails etc.) is the equivalent to the black, silver buttoned argyll. Now if all/most of the guests are wearing morning suits, or, uniforms, then it is correct to wear the black,silver buttoned argyll too, although the tweed argyll will be seen too and no one will bat an eye at that. However if only the groom and say the best man(maybe immediate family too) are wearing a morning suits(Black argyll,silver buttons) then the guests would wear tweed. Again no one would bat an eye if you turned up with a black,silver buttoned argyll though.
It would be quite wrong to wear a tweed argyll,or,argyll of any description, dress shirt (UK definition) and bow tie, during the day. Is all this so all fired important? Well, in reality no, but it is nice to know what to do, if you feel you want to conform!
Last edited by Jock Scot; 25th February 09 at 09:51 AM.
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25th February 09, 09:36 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
It would be quite wrong to wear a tweed argyll,or,argyll of any description, dress shirt (UK definition) and bow tie.
Interesting. I think Sandford had mentioned previously using a black argyll (with silver buttons) with a matching lower cut three button waistcoat with dress shirt and bow tie before.
With the exception of the Montrose, all the other formal jackets for highland attire have tails.
Standard formal jackets have a wider range of lengths.
Cheers
Jamie
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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25th February 09, 09:43 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by Panache
Interesting. I think Sandford had mentioned previously using a black argyll (with silver buttons) with a matching lower cut three button waistcoat with dress shirt and bow tie before.
With the exception of the Montrose, all the other formal jackets for highland attire have tails.
Standard formal jackets have a wider range of lengths.
Cheers
Jamie
I may be wrong and Sandford must speak for himself, but I doubt that he was talking about wearing a black, silver buttoned argyll WITH BOW TIE, during the day. In the evening perhaps. I will add "during the day" to my previous contribution though.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 25th February 09 at 09:50 AM.
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25th February 09, 11:17 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I may be wrong and Sandford must speak for himself, but I doubt that he was talking about wearing a black, silver buttoned argyll WITH BOW TIE, during the day. In the evening perhaps. I will add "during the day" to my previous contribution though.
Jock,
I misunderstood. It would seem an ascot rather than a black bow tie would be most appropriate for a morning / early afternoon wedding (groom and groomsmen).
Thinking about this further, are regular bow ties (not black satin ones designed for formal evening wear) worn with Highland Attire in Scotland?
It seems that a standard bowtie would be acceptable for a guest to wear with a tweed agryll.
Cheers
Jamie
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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25th February 09, 12:36 PM
#6
 Originally Posted by Panache
Jock,
I misunderstood. It would seem an ascot rather than a black bow tie would be most appropriate for a morning / early afternoon wedding (groom and groomsmen).
Thinking about this further, are regular bow ties (not black satin ones designed for formal evening wear) worn with Highland Attire in Scotland?
It seems that a standard bowtie would be acceptable for a guest to wear with a tweed agryll.
Cheers
Jamie
Do you know Jamie I was wondering about that myself. By standard bow tie, I assume you mean the spotted/club/regimental/university/college/old school type. I was racking my brains to see if I could recall seeing one worn with the kilt, during the day and I could not. I can't see why it should not be done though, it just seems that it isn't! Perhaps it may be regarded as just too English for most Scots to wear?
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25th February 09, 01:37 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
Do you know Jamie I was wondering about that myself. By standard bow tie, I assume you mean the spotted/club/regimental/university/college/old school type. I was racking my brains to see if I could recall seeing one worn with the kilt, during the day and I could not. I can't see why it should not be done though, it just seems that it isn't! Perhaps it may be regarded as just too English for most Scots to wear?
It is a point to ponder. I've never worn a bow tie with a tweed (daywear) jacket and the kilt, and I frequently wear bow ties with other dress. I've just never seen anyone wearing a bow tie with the kilt, except with evening dress. I don't know why not, but Jock's guess about it being "too English" is as good as any!
Sandford
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25th February 09, 01:43 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I may be wrong and Sandford must speak for himself, but I doubt that he was talking about wearing a black, silver buttoned argyll WITH BOW TIE, during the day. In the evening perhaps. I will add "during the day" to my previous contribution though.
Jamie commented:
Originally Posted by Panache
"Interesting. I think Sandford had mentioned previously using a black argyll (with silver buttons) with a matching lower cut three button waistcoat with dress shirt and bow tie before. "
I don't think I would have recommended wearing this rig during the day, Jamie. I most likely somewhere mentioned the appropriateness of wearing a black argyll jacket with silver buttons, and a "regular" waistcoat with 5 or 6 buttons, and a four-in-hand necktie. With an evening waistcoat ( the ones with 3 or 4 buttons ) the black argyll could do double duty if need be, worn with a black bow tie and a dress/formal shirt!
Sandford
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25th February 09, 02:38 PM
#9
This is a test of the Emergency Thread Hijack System
This is only a test.
I had to see what the heck a Four in Hand tie was, and it turns out that that's the way I've been tying my tie (the 2 times every 5 years that I wear one) ever since my high school prom. Here's a pretty good website about various necktie knots.
http://www.tie-a-tie.net/
End of Hijack. We now return you to your normaly scheduled thread...
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