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2nd April 09, 07:06 PM
#1
 Originally Posted by gilmore
Within the last year or so some one designed an allegedly Jewish tartan and has been trying to market it, but I don't know how well it is catching on.
Apparently, its actually an official tartan, recognized by the Scottish Tartans Authority:
http://www.jewishtartan.com/
The ITI number is 7615. The Tartan Authority says the alternate name is Logan, which may mean that it is shared with Clan Logan, but having visited Clan Logan's website, it doesnt appear that their tartan is anything like the Jewish Tartan. Additionally, the STA lists the copyright owner as Rabbi Mendel Jacobs, which I would imagine would not be the case if it were somehow shared with a clan. It's also a very handsome tartan, so I'm definitely considering it. Unfortunately, it will increase the cost of my "tank" quite a bit.
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3rd April 09, 05:16 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by jusskippy
Apparently, its actually an official tartan, recognized by the Scottish Tartans Authority:
http://www.jewishtartan.com/
The ITI number is 7615. The Tartan Authority says the alternate name is Logan, which may mean that it is shared with Clan Logan, but having visited Clan Logan's website, it doesnt appear that their tartan is anything like the Jewish Tartan. Additionally, the STA lists the copyright owner as Rabbi Mendel Jacobs, which I would imagine would not be the case if it were somehow shared with a clan. It's also a very handsome tartan, so I'm definitely considering it. Unfortunately, it will increase the cost of my "tank" quite a bit.
The fact that a tartan is registered with Scottish Tartan Authority has nothing whatsoever with its being "official" in any way. It merely means that the person who designed it took the trouble to register it.
What makes a tartan official is whether the governing authority of the entity it purports to represent has approved it. In the cases of clan tartans, that authority is the clan chief. In the cases of district tartans, that is the governing body of the country, state, shire, county, city, etc, of the district that that tartan purports to represent. In the cases of religious denominations that is the governing body of that denomination, and there is none for Judaism, as this tartan purports to represent. It is merely a fashion tartan designated as "Jewish" with an extremely recent provenance that is being marketing by some one who either has no sense of the history of Jewish tartan, or does and chooses to misrepresent it, as well as his tartan, to wit: "...it's 100% Kosher - being a non wool-linen mix..."
Has anyone ever heard of a linen blend tartan that the observant need to be protected from? I think not.
Last edited by gilmore; 3rd April 09 at 07:00 PM.
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3rd April 09, 06:21 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by gilmore
The fact that a tartan is registered with Scottish Tartan Authority has nothing whatsoever with its being "official" in any way. It merely means that the person who designed it took the trouble to register it.
What makes a tartan official is whether the governing authority of the entity it purports to represent has approved it. In the cases of clan tartans, that authority is the clan chief. In the cases of district tartans, that is the governing body of the state, shire, county, city, etc, of the district that that tartan purports to represent. In the cases of religious denominations that is the governing body of that denomination, and there is none for Judaism, as this tartan purports to represent. It is merely a fashion tartan designated as "Jewish" with an extremely recent provenance that is being marketing by some one who either has no sense of the history of Jewish tartan, or does and chooses to misrepresent it, as well as his tartan, to wit: "the only Scottish born Rabbi living in Scotland, it's 100% Kosher - being a non wool-linen mix..."
Has anyone ever heard of a linen blend tartan that the observant need to be protectd from? I think not.
That's a good point, Gilmore. If there is already an historacal association between a tartan and the Jewish faith or culture, then something like this is more of an insult than official. If there were no tartan historically associated, then maybe it could become generally accepted; especially if it were recognisable to those in the faith or culture. Everything starts somewhere...
It's not a tartan, but I seem to recall a discussion of a certain color of kilt being associated with Buddhism because of the color's symbolic conection; I can't recall the specific details, though. Something on that line.
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3rd April 09, 06:37 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by Ted Crocker
That's a good point, Gilmore. If there is already an historacal association between a tartan and the Jewish faith or culture, then something like this is more of an insult than official. If there were no tartan historically associated, then maybe it could become generally accepted; especially if it were recognisable to those in the faith or culture. Everything starts somewhere...
It's not a tartan, but I seem to recall a discussion of a certain color of kilt being associated with Buddhism because of the color's symbolic conection; I can't recall the specific details, though. Something on that line.
Do you mean this:

and this:
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6th April 09, 02:36 PM
#5
Logan - Golan
 Originally Posted by gilmore
The fact that a tartan is registered with Scottish Tartan Authority has nothing whatsoever with its being "official" in any way. It merely means that the person who designed it took the trouble to register it.
What makes a tartan official is whether the governing authority of the entity it purports to represent has approved it. In the cases of clan tartans, that authority is the clan chief. In the cases of district tartans, that is the governing body of the country, state, shire, county, city, etc, of the district that that tartan purports to represent. In the cases of religious denominations that is the governing body of that denomination, and there is none for Judaism, as this tartan purports to represent. It is merely a fashion tartan designated as "Jewish" with an extremely recent provenance that is being marketing by some one who either has no sense of the history of Jewish tartan, or does and chooses to misrepresent it, as well as his tartan, to wit: "...it's 100% Kosher - being a non wool-linen mix..."
Has anyone ever heard of a linen blend tartan that the observant need to be protected from? I think not.
Perhaps it was a typo for "Golan". Same letters.
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