Irish wore kilts?

[Woodsheal]

Sorry, but most of that "information" regarding Irish kilts is pure fantasy. Read the Irish and Scottish articles here:

https://www.reconstructinghistory.co...?c=8&w=103&r=Y

[Scotus]

Sorry, but most of that "information" regarding Irish kilts is pure fantasy.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Scotus]

I found these quotes from Matt Newsome to be quite relevant to this discussion:

"As we all know, the kilt developed in the Gaelic Scottish Highlands in the end of the sixteenth century. In fact, the first reference we have to the feileadh-mhor (the first type of kilt) is an Irish document from 1594 saying that you could tell the Hebridean soldiers from the Irish soldiers specifically from the way they were dressed. Their kilts marked them as Scottish and not Irish."

".... Today, though, we have kilts being worn by people of Cornish, Breton, Manx, Welsh, and Irish descent, who see the kilt as part of their 'celtic heritage' -- despite the fact that none of these groups ever wore the kilt before modern times."

The whole article is to be found here: http://blog.albanach.org/2005/04/kil...c-garment.html

[Macleod91]

even though people have researched and there is so called Historical fact that the kilt developed in the 16th century it is very hard for me to believe that.
The usage of plaid was used by the ancient Gaelic people as a way to teach math, using the stripes as a way to count, who's to say they didn't wrap themselves up. Also the Word "kilt" means to bunch, fold, or pleat so the Irish might have worn their Kilts differently but its is along the same lines.
There is also evidence that the Nords wore a similar garment.

[macwilkin]

even though people have researched and there is so called Historical fact that the kilt developed in the 16th century it is very hard for me to believe that.
The usage of plaid was used by the ancient Gaelic people as a way to teach math, using the stripes as a way to count, who's to say they didn't wrap themselves up. Also the Word "kilt" means to bunch, fold, or pleat so the Irish might have worn their Kilts differently but its is along the same lines.
There is also evidence that the Nords wore a similar garment.

Do you have reliable source(s) for your argument? Any historian worth their salt will always concede to be proven wrong with documented evidence, but simply dismissing the research of others without credible sources doesn't do much for me.

Sincerely,

Todd

[Zardoz]

See why we only have this discussion once a year?

[macwilkin]

See why we only have this discussion once a year?

I respectfully disagree. It could be interpreted that there are actually two discussions going on:

1) A discussion on historical evidence that the Irish traditionally wore kilts as part of their traditional dress.

2) A philosophical discussion on whether or not the Irish and those of Irish heritage should wear kilts.

As long as the conversation remains civil, there's no reason why the discussion shouldn't happen. There is much misinformation out there on the net regarding this subject, so INMHO, it's a good thing to discuss and get some facts out.

The facts presented in No. 1 may not have any bearing on No. 2.

Respectfully,

Todd

[Macleod91]

not really reliable sources just some doubts that someone would come up with the idea of a kilt if pants and jackets were already in use it just doesn't make any sense, they had to have had worn them prior to the 1500, and actually i have seen a stone carving on a website of 3 scots wearing kilts and it says something in faded Gaelic that i can't make out and 800 above their heads (which i'am guessing is the year). Also I'm not trying to argue whether or not the irish wore kilts it doesn't matter to me, but seeing as how they share the same ancestry it only makes sense to assume they wore it. if i can find the picture i will post it

[sirdaniel1975]

even though people have researched and there is so called Historical fact that the kilt developed in the 16th century it is very hard for me to believe that.
The usage of plaid was used by the ancient Gaelic people as a way to teach math, using the stripes as a way to count, who's to say they didn't wrap themselves up. Also the Word "kilt" means to bunch, fold, or pleat so the Irish might have worn their Kilts differently but its is along the same lines.
There is also evidence that the Nords wore a similar garment.

Please don't reach for explanations where there are non. Just because the cloth was woven, doesn't mean it was worn or used in the fashion that you are referencing.

On the Gaelic word "kilting" not kilt.... just plainly describes gathering fabric... doesn't really suggest a "belted plaid."

Besides, plaid is a Gaelic word pr. "Played" which means "Blanket." Makes no reference to the pattern at all.

[sirdaniel1975]

Out of the mouth of an Irish History Buff!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwwMf5Et_tA