What kind of Jacket/Waistcoat needed?

**Nighthawk** · 28th November 09, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

And I would stay away from black hose, as well. IMHO they just don't look "right" with the kilt. There are many nice colours you can choose from. What's "fashion" today will be old news in no time. Stick with the classics.

On the one hand, I agree. But on the other, black matches everything! So I don't see it going out of fashion any time soon. So onto the question... I would think that you should go with what Jock says- Jock is good, Jock is wise. I defer to him in all things traditional.

**Jock Scot** · 28th November 09, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

On the one hand, I agree. But on the other, black matches everything! So I don't see it going out of fashion any time soon. So onto the question... I would think that you should go with what Jock says- Jock is good, Jock is wise. I defer to him in all things traditional.

Gosh! Steady on!

**Rob Wright** · 28th November 09, 01:40 PM

Most definitely procure a tweed waistcoat and jacket if at all possible. They really do look quite smart and you will enjoy wearing them out and about, not just for functions.

Both USA Kilts and The Scottish Tartan Museum have a fine selection of tweeds. I have a Braemer jacket and a waistcoat in the Hunter Loch from USA Kilts. Love to wear them as much as possible.

Rob

**Nighthawk** · 28th November 09, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

Gosh! Steady on!

Truth is, I have learned a lot from reading what you have to say. You're very knowledgable, and at the same time, practical. You are able to differentiate between "What I like is..." and "The conventions are..." A lot of people don't do that. You don't like tartan flashes, but also say that it's a matter of taste, where others will say that you should never wear them, and then you will give advice like you did in this thread, explaining the conventions of dress in a matter of fact and nonconfrontational way. A lot of people (myself included!) haven't mastered that skill.

so- I don't do tweed myself- never did like it much- so what would you recomend for those of us who don't do tweed? Would an Argyle work? What about an Eton?

**Jock Scot** · 29th November 09, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

Truth is, I have learned a lot from reading what you have to say. You're very knowledgable, and at the same time, practical. You are able to differentiate between "What I like is..." and "The conventions are..." A lot of people don't do that. You don't like tartan flashes, but also say that it's a matter of taste, where others will say that you should never wear them, and then you will give advice like you did in this thread, explaining the conventions of dress in a matter of fact and nonconfrontational way. A lot of people (myself included!) haven't mastered that skill. so- I don't do tweed myself- never did like it much- so what would you recomend for those of us who don't do tweed? Would an Argyle work? What about an Eton?

You are so kind.An Argyll is just a style of day jacket and one that I am a fan of,but there are as you know, various styles of day jacket. OK,you are not a fan of tweed.Out of interest, is that all tweed, or just heavy tweed?There are literally hundreds of patterns to choose from you know and also tweed is also to be found in lightweight cloth too.In passing, tweed does not have to be the hairy fuzzy stuff that is much loved by some of us old fashioned Scots.Here endeth the tweed sales pitch!How about barathea?The stuff that the black silver buttoned argylls/PCs are usually made of, only put black buttons on instead of silver--very,very smart.Some one here mentioned having a kilt jacket made out of linen,very sensible in hot climates.How about the very expensive option?Silk? I hope this gives you a wee bit of help.

**Nighthawk** · 30th November 09, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

You are so kind.An Argyll is just a style of day jacket and one that I am a fan of,but there are as you know, various styles of day jacket. OK,you are not a fan of tweed.Out of interest, is that all tweed, or just heavy tweed?There are literally hundreds of patterns to choose from you know and also tweed is also to be found in lightweight cloth too.In passing, tweed does not have to be the hairy fuzzy stuff that is much loved by some of us old fashioned Scots.Here endeth the tweed sales pitch!How about barathea?The stuff that the black silver buttoned argylls/PCs are usually made of, only put black buttons on instead of silver--very,very smart.Some one here mentioned having a kilt jacket made out of linen,very sensible in hot climates.How about the very expensive option?Silk? I hope this gives you a wee bit of help.

I haven't actually tried on a tweed jacket. I just haven't seen a pattern that I like. I like either really subtle, like the shadow tartan, or very distinct, like standard tartan. Tweed seems to me to be somewhere in between. And in answer to your question... I love barathea! I wore a barathea jacket to officiate an outdoor wedding in Arizona (which as Ted knows is a very hot climate) and I was very comfortable. After the ceremony was over, I took my jacket off and discovered that the buttons and outside where hot! But on the inside, where my body, I was just fine. I've picked up a liking for barathea. And the black button idea is a great one! I have to remember that!

**Panache** · 29th November 09, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

...so- I don't do tweed myself- never did like it much- so what would you recomend for those of us who don't do tweed? Would an Argyle work? What about an Eton?

How about cotton twill?

These are what I wear when it is too warm for tweed

Cheers

Jamie :ootd:

**Panache** · 29th November 09, 10:19 AM

ChubRock,

There are a few different threads on XMTS about altering jackets.

If you like the look of the tweed one you have with your kilt I would recomend printing out some pictures of various kilt jackets and then wearing your kilt head down to your local tailor/seamstress and ask about getting your jacket altered. Definately take the time toi explain the sporran cutaway an have them chalk mark the jacket with you wearing it with your kilt.

Decide for yourself if the pocket flaps are going to need to be moved up (and the pockets closed) and if you want epaulettes added. Even with the works it should cost more than $100

Cheers

Jamie :ootd

**OC Richard** · 29th November 09, 05:55 PM

Chub: I have a near-new black Argyll jacket I bought right before losing 40+ pounds. It was actually too big then: it's a 52.

You could have it for $100 if you wish. Just another option. Richard

**BobsYourUncle** · 28th November 09, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

On the one hand, I agree. But on the other, black matches everything! So I don't see it going out of fashion any time soon. So onto the question... I would think that you should go with what Jock says- Jock is good, Jock is wise. I defer to him in all things traditional.

Hear, Hear, Nighthawk! All hail Jock! I agree with finding a jacket that fits, and having it cut out to accommodate a sporran. Here in NY, while winters can be quite cold, most of the time it is too warm for a tweed jacket, so I had a black linen jacket cut into a kilt jacket. It has worked out great, and cost a fraction of the price of any of the jackets quoted to you heretofore. Just my two cents--good luck. Nice kilt, by the way...