A French gentleman's Jacobite Rosette

**Dixiecat** · 10th January 10, 12:26 PM

Wouldn't a French gentleman sporting a white rosette on his bonnet, regardless if he was wearing a kilt or not, be showing his support for the royalist or Bourbon cause than for a show of Jacobite sentiment?

Must be just me as I just yesterday finished reading Marie Antoinette.

btw, I have a Threads magazine article that deals with making several styles of rosettes. If anyone is interested maybe I can scan and post?

**Ancienne Alliance** · 10th January 10, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dixiecat

Wouldn't a French gentleman sporting a white rosette on his bonnet, regardless if he was wearing a kilt or not, be showing his support for the royalist or Bourbon cause than for a show of Jacobite sentiment?

Must be just me as I just yesterday finished reading Marie Antoinette.

btw, I have a Threads magazine article that deals with making several styles of rosettes. If anyone is interested maybe I can scan and post?

Yes you are right. But I wouldn't wear it without a kilt.

We are more than interested in your Threads magazine article that deals with making several styles of rosettes.
Could you please either post them on this thread ?

Best,

Robert

**Mr. MacDougall** · 10th January 10, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dixiecat

I have a Threads magazine article that deals with making several styles of rosettes. If anyone is interested maybe I can scan and post?

Please do not violate copyright.

**macwilkin** · 10th January 10, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dixiecat

Wouldn't a French gentleman sporting a white rosette on his bonnet, regardless if he was wearing a kilt or not, be showing his support for the royalist or Bourbon cause than for a show of Jacobite sentiment?

Must be just me as I just yesterday finished reading Marie Antoinette.

btw, I have a Threads magazine article that deals with making several styles of rosettes. If anyone is interested maybe I can scan and post?

Remember though that a number of exiled Jacobites served in the French army in the 18th Century.

T.

**Dixiecat** · 11th January 10, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

Remember though that a number of exiled Jacobites served in the French army in the 18th Century.T.

Very true, but the topic of this thread is not about exiled Jacobites, but French gentlemen.

I guess it would all depend upon the time period that the French gentleman would have worn his rosette.

**macwilkin** · 11th January 10, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dixiecat

Very true, but the topic of this thread is not about exiled Jacobites, but French gentlemen.

I guess it would all depend upon the time period that the French gentleman would have worn his rosette.

You miss my meaning; Scottish Jacobites saw the French as allies in their struggle to reclaim the throne, and a number of Scots served in the armies of the French king, whose soldiers also wore a white cockade.

White cockades were worn by royalist supporters in France through the Revolution.

So yes, it is appropriate.

T.

**Ancienne Alliance** · 11th January 10, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

You miss my meaning; Scottish Jacobites saw the French as allies in their struggle to reclaim the throne, and a number of Scots served in the armies of the French king, whose soldiers also wore a white cockade.

White cockades were worn by royalist supporters in France through the Revolution.

So yes, it is appropriate.

T.

French troops were also present at Culloden's battle.

Best,

Robert

**macwilkin** · 11th January 10, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ancienne Alliance

French troops were also present at Culloden's battle.

Best,

Robert

Indeed they were -- Fitzjames' Horse, piquets drawn from the Irish Brigade and the Royal Écossois, just to name a few.

T.

**Ancienne Alliance** · 11th January 10, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

Indeed they were -- Fitzjames' Horse, piquets drawn from the Irish Brigade and the Royal Écossois, just to name a few.

T.

Thank you !

I suppose we don't have any paintings of these uniforms... ?

Best,

Robert

**Dixiecat** · 11th January 10, 02:47 PM

I understand all your statements and I'm familiar with the time period and the traditional Scot/French alliances.

I guess what I'm saying is, that the wearing of the white rosette or cockade by a French gentleman would normally show the association of that gentleman with the French royalists or Bourbon causes. If that French gentleman was in Scotland during the Jacobite uprising, would that gentleman be showing his association with the French forces that were there to support Prince Charles or was he actually showing his support of Prince Charles regardless of the gentleman's place of birth?

Was a Scottish Jacobite serving in the French king's forces (in France) and wearing the white rosette or cockade, showing his Jacobite sympathies or just wearing his employers colours? How did the Jacobite cause take the colour white? Did they copy the French or did the French copy them?

There are records of Scottish mercenaries serving in armies all across Europe long before the Jacobite cause, how did they show their association to their country? Other than the kilt of course.