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    The civilian use of cockades has continued down to the present day-- liveried servants used to place a cockade composed of the colours of their employer in their hat. Generally speaking the last liveried servants to wear hats as part of their duties were coachmen, and their top hats in the 19th century were usually fitted with a cockade of the appropriate colours. This continues today with uniformed chauffeurs-- those "on hire" usually have a black cockade on the front of their hat, while those privately employed "in service" sport the livery colours of their employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    The civilian use of cockades has continued down to the present day-- liveried servants used to place a cockade composed of the colours of their employer in their hat. Generally speaking the last liveried servants to wear hats as part of their duties were coachmen, and their top hats in the 19th century were usually fitted with a cockade of the appropriate colours. This continues today with uniformed chauffeurs-- those "on hire" usually have a black cockade on the front of their hat, while those privately employed "in service" sport the livery colours of their employer.
    I have a cockade in the livery colours of my chief on my auld black bonnet.

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    Was the white cockade only worn by Jacobites during the '45 or did they wear them in the '89, '15 and '19 ?

    I presume there was a solidarity with the French in wearing white ?

    Did the Spanish Bourbons wear white too ?
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    I find it interesting that some of the Scottish regiments use bows on their kilts while some use rosettes proper (a full circle of ribbon with a covered button in the centre).

    Here's the bow-shaped things which the regiment itself calls "rosettes" on a Black Watch regimental kilt, and being worn by the new Royal Regiment of Scotland (which has replaced all of the old Scottish regiments)





    and here's what I think of as "rosettes proper" being worn by the Pipe Major of the Royal Highland Fusiliers...it's not "artistic licence" because I also have a large clear photo of this regiment's PM which clearly shows the cloth-covered buttons at the centre of these rosettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    I find it interesting that some of the Scottish regiments use bows on their kilts while some use rosettes proper (a full circle of ribbon with a covered button in the centre).

    Here's the bow-shaped things which the regiment itself calls "rosettes" on a Black Watch regimental kilt, and being worn by the new Royal Regiment of Scotland (which has replaced all of the old Scottish regiments)





    and here's what I think of as "rosettes proper" being worn by the Pipe Major of the Royal Highland Fusiliers...it's not "artistic licence" because I also have a large clear photo of this regiment's PM which clearly shows the cloth-covered buttons at the centre of these rosettes.

    Information:

    http://www.calgaryhighlanders.com/tr.../kiltpanel.htm

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    Thanks for that link...and the nice pics as well. Not to divert the discussion away from rosettes/cockades on headgear (oh wait...it's my thread and I guess I have that right), but I've admired those panels (believe the A&SH also wore one similar prior to the amalgamation into RRoS) in particular and have toyed with the idea of putting some sort of rosettes or bows on the BW kilt I will be making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhuntr74 View Post
    Thanks for that link...and the nice pics as well. Not to divert the discussion away from rosettes/cockades on headgear (oh wait...it's my thread and I guess I have that right), but I've admired those panels (believe the A&SH also wore one similar prior to the amalgamation into RRoS) in particular and have toyed with the idea of putting some sort of rosettes or bows on the BW kilt I will be making.
    As you can see, the Calgary Highlanders still wear the kilt panel. My clan society sponsors the Buchan Pipe Band in Scotland, and they wear rosettes as kilt pins as well.

    T.

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