This was recently photoed at Eilean Donan

[creagdhubh]

What a strange costume!

I see that sort of thing at US Highland Games all the time, the strangest possible combinations, mixing up both time periods and modes of dress.

There's the mixing of time periods: the Prince Charlie and leather day sporran, both of which as far as I've been able to tell are early 20th century in origin, combined with 18th century style shirt and belt.

And the mixing of various modes of Highland Dress: a Prince Charlie worn with plain leather Day sporran and daywear Lovat Balmoral.

Actually the stuff around here is stanger, for example an 18th century Great Kilt worn with Native American moccasins, t-shirt with a huge clan crest printed on it, a Victorian diced Glengarry, ornate Victorian dirk, 18th century two-handed sword, topped off with the requisite huge sunglasses and mobile phone.

I have seen the same thing Richard-it's disgusting.

[Paul Henry]

....Not making fun, just being critical of what the old chap is wearing. We are not dishonoring him. It's like critiquing a style of painting.

I have seen the same thing Richard-it's disgusting.

I'm sorry that's not a critique, and to be fair a painting never has a right of reply, a person might have.

I'm not keen on the look, it's got so many mixed styles that it comes off as an unhappy amalgam.

Some time ago we had a Do and Don't thread , and it got so out of hand with personal attacks that it was stopped, long after it should have been.

Most of us on here can spot style or dress errors and inconsistencies, I am only suggesting that we should try to be kind, a velvet glove not an iron fist, that's all

[creagdhubh]

I'm sorry that's not a critique, and to be fair a painting never has a right of reply, a person might have.

I'm not keen on the look, it's got so many mixed styles that it comes off as an unhappy amalgam.

Some time ago we had a Do and Don't thread , and it got so out of hand with personal attacks that it was stopped, long after it should have been.

Most of us on here can spot style or dress errors and inconsistencies, I am only suggesting that we should try to be kind, a velvet glove not an iron fist, that's all

I understand what you are saying. Thanks for your reply.

Beannacht libh,

[Monkey@Arms]

What a strange costume!

I see that sort of thing at US Highland Games all the time, the strangest possible combinations, mixing up both time periods and modes of dress.

There's the mixing of time periods: the Prince Charlie and leather day sporran, both of which as far as I've been able to tell are early 20th century in origin, combined with 18th century style shirt and belt.

And the mixing of various modes of Highland Dress: a Prince Charlie worn with plain leather Day sporran and daywear Lovat Balmoral.

Actually the stuff around here is stanger, for example an 18th century Great Kilt worn with Native American moccasins, t-shirt with a huge clan crest printed on it, a Victorian diced Glengarry, ornate Victorian dirk, 18th century two-handed sword, topped off with the requisite huge sunglasses and mobile phone.

I have seen the same thing Richard-it's disgusting.

See it all the time at games, and it bothers me not at all. I save my disgust for things that matter, intolerance for instance.

Your disgusting is someone else's fun. Live and let live.

Best regards,

Jake

[Semiomniscient]

See it all the time at games, and it bothers me not at all. I save my disgust for things that matter, intolerance for instance.

Your disgusting is someone else's fun. Live and let live.

Best regards,

Jake

I think a discussion forum is a good place to discuss matters of proper wearing of Scottish attire. I did suggest the blurring of the face to allow for anonymity. And I can see where this can get derisive and lose the constructive spirit in which this was originally posted.

The thing is, this outfit is disastrous on many levels. We wouldn't really bat an eye if we made fun of some odd fashion style on the run-way. But this is a bit different as it appears to be done out of ignorance rather than "making a statement". In which case, criticism of it appears as a personal attack.

A lot of people, myself included, feel attached to the kilt, and strive very hard to make it acceptable in the general community. We seek to educate the public in many of our societies. When we see others making the kilt look foolish, we believe we ought to speak up and educate. This can be done tactfully or poorly. There will always be both. So the idea of "live and let live" doesn't always sit well with others.

[Monkey@Arms]

I think a discussion forum is a good place to discuss matters of proper wearing of Scottish attire. I did suggest the blurring of the face to allow for anonymity. And I can see where this can get derisive and lose the constructive spirit in which this was originally posted.

The thing is, this outfit is disastrous on many levels. We wouldn't really bat an eye if we made fun of some odd fashion style on the run-way. But this is a bit different as it appears to be done out of ignorance rather than "making a statement". In which case, criticism of it appears as a personal attack.

A lot of people, myself included, feel attached to the kilt, and strive very hard to make it acceptable in the general community. We seek to educate the public in many of our societies. When we see others making the kilt look foolish, we believe we ought to speak up and educate. This can be done tactfully or poorly. There will always be both. So the idea of "live and let live" doesn't always sit well with others.

Given that this was posted to the Historical Highland Attire section, I think we can all agree that the outfit was anachronistic, and that the PC looked particularly out of place. I also applaud your suggestion to modify the picture, since the wearer did not post the picture and ask for our comments. My "live and let live" comment was particularly directed to the idea that its "disgusting" for people to wear anachronistic garb at festivals. That is an opinion that I do not share. (Actually I hold lots of opinions that I choose not to share on these forums, lest I offend those whose opinions may differ. Goose-Gander.)

Best regards,

Jake

[Semiomniscient]

Given that this was posted to the Historical Highland Attire section, I think we can all agree that the outfit was anachronistic, and that the PC looked particularly out of place. I also applaud your suggestion to modify the picture, since the wearer did not post the picture and ask for our comments. My "live and let live" comment was particularly directed to the idea that its "disgusting" for people to wear anachronistic garb at festivals. That is an opinion that I do not share. (Actually I hold lots of opinions that I choose not to share on these forums, lest I offend those whose opinions may differ. Goose-Gander.)

Best regards,

Jake

"Disgusting" might not be a particularly savvy word, but "obnoxious", "annoying", "irritating" are accurate enough as well. It is bothersome to see people treating modern Highland attire as a costume. Reenactors are a different bird all together with the aim of educating the public. If you can't have historical garb correct, then please don't try until you have some guidance (whether written or personal). It is irritating to me to see this part of my ancestral culture diminished and made to misinform non-kilt-wearers or worse misinform NEW kilt-wearers who don't know better.
I see far too many people wearing tartan fabric belted around their waists and broadswords belted to their backs at Highland Games and Ren Faires claiming to understand historical dress and explaining it to people who are interested. Perhaps it's because I'm a teacher and I have to "undo" misconceptions everyday that I find this particularly distressing.

[macwilkin]

Perhaps it's because I'm a teacher and I have to "undo" misconceptions everyday that I find this particularly distressing.

Aye, Jamie...those who do not have to "clean up the mess" really don't understand what a tiring chore it can be at times. I sympathise, my fellow pedagogue.

T.

[BoldHighlander]

Aye, Jamie...those who do not have to "clean up the mess" really don't understand what a tiring chore it can be at times.

Been there, still doing it

[creagdhubh]

See it all the time at games, and it bothers me not at all. I save my disgust for things that matter, intolerance for instance.

Your disgusting is someone else's fun. Live and let live.

Best regards,

Jake

Slainte mhath!