Cadets Banned From Parading With Rifles, or why we will lose next time.

[tripleblessed]

I intend this comment to be aimed in a different direction than politics or weapons
directly. Armistice Day and Remembrance day parades are intended to get people to reflect on the price of conflict, irrespective of political system. The
individuals we honor did not suffer a groin pull dancing around a maypole, or
lose control of a caber. They willingly put themselves in harm's way for the perceived greater good, irrespective of system. To honor them, we HAVE to acknowledge what they put themselves through. Insert here submarine dive klaxon and p.a. warning; PERSONAL OPINION FOLLOWS. TO WIT: To sanitize that process absolutely DISHONORS what they gave us. Rather than do such a thing it might be better to just cancel all observation.

Just me. Not about countries, systems or weapons. About honor, about community, about citizenship, about censorship.

[Highland Logan]

I intend this comment to be aimed in a different direction than politics or weapons
directly. Armistice Day and Remembrance day parades are intended to get people to reflect on the price of conflict, irrespective of political system. The
individuals we honor did not suffer a groin pull dancing around a maypole, or
lose control of a caber. They willingly put themselves in harm's way for the perceived greater good, irrespective of system. To honor them, we HAVE to acknowledge what they put themselves through. Insert here submarine dive klaxon and p.a. warning; PERSONAL OPINION FOLLOWS. TO WIT: To sanitize that process absolutely DISHONORS what they gave us. Rather than do such a thing it might be better to just cancel all observation.

Just me. Not about countries, systems or weapons. About honor, about community, about citizenship, about censorship.

Now this is from the Veterans Affairs Canada website;

"By remembering their service and their sacrifice, we recognize the tradition of freedom these men and women fought to preserve. They believed that their actions in the present would make a significant difference for the future, but it is up to us to ensure that their dream of peace is realized. On Remembrance Day, we acknowledge the courage and sacrifice of those who served their country and acknowledge our responsibility to work for the peace they fought hard to achieve."

Now in Canada, our cadets do not bear arms on parade. It's my opinion that the point of Remembrance Day is to hope that these and all our children will not have to raise arms in the defense of their own country or those of their allies. And as I stated earlier, unless you are a citisen of the UK, then you really have no business chastising how they chose to run their own country... Did their citizens not earn the right to chose their own path by their own sacrifices during their many wars?


Frank

[Jordan]

I intend this comment to be aimed in a different direction than politics or weapons
directly. Armistice Day and Remembrance day parades are intended to get people to reflect on the price of conflict, irrespective of political system. The
individuals we honor did not suffer a groin pull dancing around a maypole, or
lose control of a caber. They willingly put themselves in harm's way for the perceived greater good, irrespective of system. To honor them, we HAVE to acknowledge what they put themselves through. Insert here submarine dive klaxon and p.a. warning; PERSONAL OPINION FOLLOWS. TO WIT: To sanitize that process absolutely DISHONORS what they gave us. Rather than do such a thing it might be better to just cancel all observation.

Just me. Not about countries, systems or weapons. About honor, about community, about citizenship, about censorship.

You have a good point. My opinion was based on being a cadet and now a member of staff and personaly I feel that giving cadets something else to "play with" be it a weapon or a stick or (Insert something here) Will detract them from the occasion, Which is the main thing.

I think we are agreed.

[tripleblessed]

I was not chastising anyone about their governmental system or how anyone chooses to run their country. I was speaking of honoring the dead and the sacrifices they made. In the same way that we cannot judge the Inquisition or the enslavement of the masses by feudal peerage, we must honor the dead in the spirit of their time and the manner and intent of their service. Most of my forebears were good people, some absolute jackals. I don't judge their actions by today's understanding. I can honor that in their time they did their best to provide for those for whom they cared and those to come.

The article said the ban was based on ONE complaint BY ONE person. That's not how any of our countries are run today.

And I might remind one that without government by one or a very small minority, I most probably would still BE a citizen of the UK. My family fought the Romans, fought the Saxons, fought the Angles, fought the Vikings, fought all comers in the attempt to create a system that would provide peace and abundance for all. That we haven't yet succeeded is not their fault. I WILL HONOR THEM ALL. And their blood, shed in Essex, Wessex, Wales, the Borders, the Highlands, and most of Ireland, IMHO,has bought me the right to express that opinion. You're welcome to any opinion you care to wave about, only as long as others can do the same. It may seem ironic to some that one would come on a public forum to tell people to shut up.

Apologies to any offended, as no offense is offered, only hopefully civil
discussion.

[Highland Logan]

The article said the ban was based on ONE complaint BY ONE person.

"The ban was imposed after members of the public complained, the Daily Mail reported."

The bold is mine; and just so we're clear... an 's' generally means more than one, and an unspecified number...

...IMHO,has bought me the right to express that opinion.

I'm certain that unless your passport has a crown on it and says somewhere 'UK', your HO is misguided to say the least...

Frank

[starbkjrus]

I was not chastising anyone about their governmental system or how anyone chooses to run their country. I was speaking of honoring the dead and the sacrifices they made. In the same way that we cannot judge the Inquisition or the enslavement of the masses by feudal peerage, we must honor the dead in the spirit of their time and the manner and intent of their service. Most of my forebears were good people, some absolute jackals. I don't judge their actions by today's understanding. I can honor that in their time they did their best to provide for those for whom they cared and those to come.

The article said the ban was based on ONE complaint BY ONE person. That's not how any of our countries are run today.

And I might remind one that without government by one or a very small minority, I most probably would still BE a citizen of the UK. My family fought the Romans, fought the Saxons, fought the Angles, fought the Vikings, fought all comers in the attempt to create a system that would provide peace and abundance for all. That we haven't yet succeeded is not their fault. I WILL HONOR THEM ALL. And their blood, shed in Essex, Wessex, Wales, the Borders, the Highlands, and most of Ireland, IMHO,has bought me the right to express that opinion. You're welcome to any opinion you care to wave about, only as long as others can do the same. It may seem ironic to some that one would come on a public forum to tell people to shut up.

Apologies to any offended, as no offense is offered, only hopefully civil
discussion.

Good Gawd, this is a KILT forum...NOT one to discuss anything else.....see "The Rules".....

[tripleblessed]

M y most humble apologies. I have clicked on the link to the article 9 times, and every time it says "because some member (SINGULAR) of the public..."
I even had a friend check it for me. In their opinion, the article as linked on page 2 of this discussion does not have an s on the end, no amount of anyone's
wishing can put one one there. If that is not how the article appeared, then we're discussing at cross purposes.

I would request of you all that you please remember in your own way those who
did what they so that you can do what you do.

Without my forebears standing with yours, there would be no UK to have passports. I feel great sorrow that anyone would begrudge them their service
to crown and country.

Please allow me to bow out of this, as I have no wish to be tempted to make this as personal as it seems to have become.

[Highland Logan]

M y most humble apologies. I have clicked on the link to the article 9 times, and every time it says "because some member (SINGULAR) of the public..."
I even had a friend check it for me. In their opinion, the article as linked on page 2 of this discussion does not have an s on the end, no amount of anyone's
wishing can put one one there. If that is not how the article appeared, then we're discussing at cross purposes.

Here is a link to the first post which clearly says members. And you will find many examples all over the web with the help of Google.

Without my forebears standing with yours, there would be no UK to have passports.

Nice... you'll make lots of friends here.

Frank