What's this tartan? Monday morning fun

[figheadair]

Sure.

I was a bit thrown off at first because the STA threadcount doesn't use azure as a color (i.e. BBBBRK... instead of the expected ABABRK...)

figheadair - please help out a novice here. When I clicked on davidpope's link to the Lochaber Cameron tartan, the colors appear to be different than the fabric you presented in this thread. Should I be looking at tartan pattern primarily, the tartan's colors or both? If the color appears to be faded, could this represent at different tartan?

It's Lochaber Cameron, details here:
http://www.tartansauthority.com/tart...me_search=Find

Although the STA color strip shows that the azure line/lines in the blue field alternate between single broad and double narrow, making the full sett quite wide...

David

I’ve had a look at the link. Unfortunately the threadcount and thus resulting colour strip are in error. The correct setting is per the piece that I wove.

The complicated bit is that a certain shade of blue ("azure") signifies a "different" color, rather than being lumped in with other "blues".

Consider the thread count for the Carolina tartan:

R64A28K32Y6K8W8K8R2G56R26K8R8W4

where the "Carolina Blue" color is listed as "A", azure.

The classification of light blue as a separate colour called azure was the invention of D.C. Stewart and has been used by tartan recorders since. His rationale was that the shade appears in so many old tartans that it deserved to be classified in its own right.

I disagree and prefer the older ‘light blue’ term used by Wilsons, Logan etc and therefore use BBB in my SLOGs for Blue / Light Blue / Blue.

As an aside, want to hazard a guess at the Lord Lyon’s definition of azure?

[davidlpope]

As an aside, want to hazard a guess at the Lord Lyon’s definition of azure?

I'm not sure what Lyon, himself, defines as azure, but heraldry, in general, defines "azure" as any shade of blue as determined by the herald painting the arms. Interesting, though, is the fact that heralds set apart from "azure" a specific shade of sky blue ("bleu celeste") which is a shade very similar to that woven as "azure" in tartan...

[figheadair]

I'm not sure about the current Lyon but I recall asking the question of Sir Thomas Innes of Learney. His definition: Azure is the colour of the sky. Clear as mud then

[davidlpope]

I'm not sure about the current Lyon but I recall asking the question of Sir Thomas Innes of Learney. His definition: Azure is the colour of the sky. Clear as mud then

Hmmm. That's typically the description given for bleu celeste...

I guess it would be easier if we could all just agree on pantone numbers for each color

[artificer]

I guess it would be easier if we could all just agree on pantone numbers for each color

Here, Here!

NOW if we could all just get our monitors properly calibrated...

[SlackerDrummer]

I'm not sure about the current Lyon but I recall asking the question of Sir Thomas Innes of Learney. His definition: Azure is the colour of the sky. Clear as mud then

So kind of a grayish white, then? Today at least.

[piperdbh]

I'm not sure about the current Lyon but I recall asking the question of Sir Thomas Innes of Learney. His definition: Azure is the colour of the sky. Clear as mud then

I would call that Carolina blue, but I'm just a little biased.

[KD Burke]

I would call that Carolina blue, but I'm just a little biased.

To the unbiased world it's Citadel Blue!

[fluter]

I would call that Carolina blue, but I'm just a little biased.

To the unbiased world it's Citadel Blue!

Now gentlemen, religious topics are strictly to be avoided.

[kc8ufv]

Now gentlemen, religious topics are strictly to be avoided.

Um, that'd be military, not religion. The Citadel is a military college in S. Carolina...