Fake Scots Titles

[ohiopiper]

Doesn't U.S. law forbid a U.S. citizen from recieving titles from a foreign nation, other than those awarded for work in the arts or humanities? For example, an Ohio man was recently awarded a knighthood from France into an order that bestowes knighthoods based solely upon performance in the performing arts. By contrast, an American, if I am correct, cannot be knighted by Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, as it would be a violation of U.S. law.

Or am I wrong? And would not titles of lordship fall under this category?

[gilmore]

Doesn't U.S. law forbid a U.S. citizen from recieving titles from a foreign nation, other than those awarded for work in the arts or humanities? For example, an Ohio man was recently awarded a knighthood from France into an order that bestowes knighthoods based solely upon performance in the performing arts. By contrast, an American, if I am correct, cannot be knighted by Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, as it would be a violation of U.S. law.

Or am I wrong? And would not titles of lordship fall under this category?

You are partially correct. The US Constitution prohibits US citizens who are government officeholders from receiving foreign titles without the approval of Congress. Ordinary US citizens can, and do, receive all sorts of foreign honors (or honours, depending on who is handing them out.) I am not aware of Congress doing so lately, not since World War II, when legislation was passed that allowed, I believe, anyone serving in the US armed forces to receive foreign honors.

Americans and other non-UK subjects are not knighted by HM the Queen, but that is a British custom, not American. Instead, they are given honorary knighthoods, as were Rudi Giuliani, Bob Geldorf, and many others.

Quite a few Americans are given knighthoods by the Knights of Malta, a sovereign entity, and papal knighthoods and titles of nobility, the Vatican also being a sovereign state. Or they were. I don't know if the present pope or the last one ennobled anyone. Pope John Paul II broke with tradition and didn't ennoble his own family. At the time he was quoted as saying something like, "They are Polish peasants. They wouldn't know what to do with a title."

[Lallans]

You are partially correct. The US Constitution prohibits US citizens who are government officeholders from receiving foreign titles without the approval of Congress. Ordinary US citizens can, and do, receive all sorts of foreign honors (or honours, depending on who is handing them out.) I am not aware of Congress doing so lately, not since World War II, when legislation was passed that allowed, I believe, anyone serving in the US armed forces to receive foreign honors.

Americans and other non-UK subjects are not knighted by HM the Queen, but that is a British custom, not American. Instead, they are given honorary knighthoods, as were Rudi Giuliani, Bob Geldorf, and many others.

Quite a few Americans are given knighthoods by the Knights of Malta, a sovereign entity, and papal knighthoods and titles of nobility, the Vatican also being a sovereign state. Or they were. I don't know if the present pope or the last one ennobled anyone. Pope John Paul II broke with tradition and didn't ennoble his own family. At the time he was quoted as saying something like, "They are Polish peasants. They wouldn't know what to do with a title."

And titles can actually be dangerous. At one time it was commonplace for Canadians to be awarded and allowed to accept British titles but there was a precedent-setting series of incidents recently when Lord Conrad Black wanted his Peerage and the Canadian Prime Minister of the day refused to allow him to accept it (they were political enemies). So Black got mad and gave up his Canadian citizenship, becoming Lord Black as a Brit, but later was convicted in a US court and held for extra years in a US prison because Canada could no longer claim him to fall under treaty agreements and transfer him here, where the prisons are nicer and parole much more generous. It can't seem like the best deal Conrad ever made, especially to him.

[Bing]

And titles can actually be dangerous. At one time it was commonplace for Canadians to be awarded and allowed to accept British titles but there was a precedent-setting series of incidents recently when Lord Conrad Black wanted his Peerage and the Canadian Prime Minister of the day refused to allow him to accept it (they were political enemies). So Black got mad and gave up his Canadian citizenship, becoming Lord Black as a Brit, but later was convicted in a US court and held for extra years in a US prison because Canada could no longer claim him to fall under treaty agreements and transfer him here, where the prisons are nicer and parole much more generous. It can't seem like the best deal Conrad ever made, especially to him.

It's worse than that for Connie. As a convicted felon and foreign citizen he is prohibited from entering Canada. There is supposedly a move afoot for the Minister of Immigration to allow him to reclaim his citizenship and come home but the Tories are worried about the backlash.

[Sketraw]

Stop Press....could this be the first of the fake title peddlers to topple.

"Scottish Highland Titles have currently ceased trading due to unforeseen circumstances, Apologies for any disappointment, Full refunds will be issued where appropriate"

http://www.scottishhighlandtitles.com/

Just think of the people they have scammed over the years thinking they actually owned a 1sq ft plot of land, which of course they did not, now they are left without even the thought. I suppose they still have their worthless piece of so called Title Deed to nothing.