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[tripleblessed]

Much of the loss of land and property by Loyalists happened not at the hands of "rebel mobs" but by confiscation through the courts after the cessation of hostilities. Not by any means to say there were NO mobs, but let's "remember the history" and note that many homes were burned by both British regulars and Tory militias, often turning women and children out of their beds and seizing all foodstuffs and livestock. These policies recruited many men for the Continental Line. One woman, who was turned out with two small children into the winter night to watch her house burn on another occasion was traveling on horseback with these same two children, small enough that both were on the horse with her, and had her horse shot out from under her by British troops. Just to be fair.

Cajunscot makes valid corrections, though, and accuracy is of great value. My gggg -grandfather Norman Morrison sold his land in N. Carolina and returned to Skye with his wife Christian Gillis and their children, returning after the war and re-purchasing their land. Their daughter married Duncan Hughes, late of Kingoldrum, Angus, who remained through the war and worked with or fought for (unclear so far) Loyalist forces.

I applaud all for standing for their beliefs. Period.

[macwilkin]

Much of the loss of land and property by Loyalists happened not at the hands of "rebel mobs" but by confiscation through the courts after the cessation of hostilities. Not by any means to say there were NO mobs, but let's "remember the history" and note that many homes were burned by both British regulars and Tory militias, often turning women and children out of their beds and seizing all foodstuffs and livestock. These policies recruited many men for the Continental Line. One woman, who was turned out with two small children into the winter night to watch her house burn on another occasion was traveling on horseback with these same two children, small enough that both were on the horse with her, and had her horse shot out from under her by British troops. Just to be fair.

Cajunscot makes valid corrections, though, and accuracy is of great value. My gggg -grandfather Norman Morrison sold his land in N. Carolina and returned to Skye with his wife Christian Gillis and their children, returning after the war and re-purchasing their land. Their daughter married Duncan Hughes, late of Kingoldrum, Angus, who remained through the war and worked with or fought for (unclear so far) Loyalist forces.

I applaud all for standing for their beliefs. Period.

I never denied Loyalist atrocities; however the "Patriot myth" of the Revolution frequently vilifies "Tories" to the point of hyperbole; I call it the "Star Wars Syndrome". The average Loyalist (or for that matter, British regular) was not an Imperial Stormtrooper.

I would remind you, sir (btw, would you mind introducing yourself -- my name's Todd) of Alexander Hamilton, who rescued Loyalist Myles Cooper, President of King's College (now Columbia) in New York from being tarred and feathered (which was not a quaint activity for the tourists) by a Rebel Mob. Hamilton also spoke about the need for the new Republic to respect the property rights of Loyalists, and for Americans to pay their debts owed to Glasgow and Birmingham merchants, and not use Independence as a way to shirk on them.

For an excellent look at what the Highland Loyalists endured in the Revolution, Duane Meyer's The Highland Scots of North Carolina is well worth perusing.

Apologies to John for the OT rant.

T.

[Morris at Heathfield]

I never denied Loyalist atrocities; however the "Patriot myth" of the Revolution frequently vilifies "Tories" to the point of hyperbole; I call it the "Star Wars Syndrome". The average Loyalist (or for that matter, British regular) was not an Imperial Stormtrooper.

Are you quite sure about that?:

FIRST TROOPER: Do you know what's going on?

SECOND TROOPER: Maybe it's another drill.

FIRST TROOPER: Have you seen that new BT-16?

SECOND TROOPER: Yeah, some of the other guys were telling me about it. They say it's, it's quite the thing to see ... What was that?

FIRST TROOPER: That's nothing. Outgassing. Don't worry about it.

Regarding the subject of this thread (and American titles in specific), I would like to point out that it was only in the United States that Joshua Abraham Norton was able to attain a noble title.

[macwilkin]

Are you quite sure about that?:



Regarding the subject of this thread (and American titles in specific), I would like to point out that it was only in the United States that Joshua Abraham Norton was able to attain a noble title.

Sorry, but your attempt at humour failed with me. I guess I don't get your Star Wars reference.

T.

[Morris at Heathfield]

I only meant to point out that even the Imperial Stormtroopers in Star Wars, like British regulars, are mostly just ordinary guys trying to do their jobs. In fact, I believe we have at least one "Imperial Stormtrooper" on the forums.

I'm not disagreeing at all with your defense of Tories and redcoats. I have some ancestors who served in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War and some who I suspect were, if not active Tories, at least had loyalist sympathies. Many of them migrated north across the St. Lawrence after the war.

[macwilkin]

I only meant to point out that even the Imperial Stormtroopers in Star Wars, like British regulars, are mostly just ordinary guys trying to do their jobs. In fact, I believe we have at least one "Imperial Stormtrooper" on the forums.

I'm not disagreeing at all with your defense of Tories and redcoats. I have some ancestors who served in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War and some who I suspect were, if not active Tories, at least had loyalist sympathies. Many of them migrated north across the St. Lawrence after the war.

Mea culpa, Morris! I guess the neurons weren't firing when I first read your post.

I have at least one Loyalist in the family tree as well.

T.

[Zardoz]

I only meant to point out that even the Imperial Stormtroopers in Star Wars, like British regulars, are mostly just ordinary guys trying to do their jobs.

I'm sorry, but as a geek I'm compelled to point out that the Stormtroopers in Star Wars are genetically enhanced clones bred for combat and obedience, not conscripts.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper

What was this thread about??

[auld argonian]

What was this thread about??

...if you gotta ask....


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[macwilkin]

I'm sorry, but as a geek I'm compelled to point out that the Stormtroopers in Star Wars are genetically enhanced clones bred for combat and obedience, not conscripts.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper

What was this thread about??

"By the time the Galactic Civil War began in earnest, Jango Fett's clones were heavily supplemented by clones based on a variety of templates around 9 BBY, followed shortly after by enlisted Humans. Thus, the Fett clones were ironically reduced to a minority status after years of virtually filling the stormtrooper ranks in its entirety."

From the web site above...I can't believe I just posted this! :mrgreen:

Just kiddin' ya, Zardoz! Just clicking on that link brought back childhood memories -- I was always a Biker Scout (durn Ewok furballs!)

T.

[Morris at Heathfield]

I'm sorry, but as a geek I'm compelled to point out that the Stormtroopers in Star Wars are genetically enhanced clones bred for combat and obedience, not conscripts.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper

Er, by conscripts do you mean recruits? I believe the British Army was a professional fighting force during the troubles with the North American colonies. It was the Royal Navy that had to fill its ranks by other than voluntary means.

As for Stormtroopers, Wookieepedia indicates that they were divided between clones and non-clone recruits during the original trilogy era. Wasn't Kyle Katarn a Stormtrooper? I seem to recall Han Solo being one as well, but Wookieepedia says he was in the Imperial Starfleet.

What was this thread about??

I believe it was about a new website designed to expose those using or selling titles like "Moff Morris of Savareen".