Heraldry Sources?

[glengall1]

Cajunscot is correct, there are no "family" coats-of-arms; instead a coat-of-arms belongs to an individual. It is sometimes possible to apply for your own, but it is not cheap.

Sorry I agree with you on this. I have fallen into the trap that others do with the phrasology of it all.

A quote from Sir Malcolm Innes of Edingight CVO, Lord Lyon King of Arms (then)

"While all the constituent elements of the Chiefly Arms - shield, crest and supporters - are the property of the individual Chief, every clansman can share in the pride of the Chief by displaying the crest badge, which consisits of the crest of the Chief within a strap and buckle and the Chief's motto."

This is where the pouplar misconception of Clan Coat of Arms comes in. People mistakenly think that the above is a coat of arms. It is the Chiefly Arms that the crest comes from.

A great expalnation is to be found on the present Lord Lyons website:

"The origin of the Coat of Arms was a jacket or tabard worn by a mediaeval Knight over his armour in order to identify himself. Nowadays the expression "Coat of Arms" is generally applied to what is officially called an "Achievement", which consists of various parts: a shield, helmet, mantling, wreath, crest, motto and sometimes supporters and decorations.

There is a widespread misconception that a family or a clan can have a family or clan Coat of Arms. Many heraldic and clan web sites and other media suggest that a person has the right to use the family or clan Arms. This is completely incorrect."

You can also apply on this site for your own coat of arms. As said above it is very expensive !!!!

My apologies for my mistake. Every day is a school day.

[TatterDel]

You may have already seen this but it has a lot of great info in it and a lot of references.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldr...es_of_heraldry

[macwilkin]

You may have already seen this but it has a lot of great info in it and a lot of references.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldr...es_of_heraldry

A rarity for Wikipedia; a better source, especially for Scottish Heraldry is:

http://www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk/

T.

[dowofbuchanan]

i live in the us so i would have to pay for my arms to be noted by going to scotland to the court of lord lyon protesting my right to bear and then iwould actually submit for a mactrilation (abc?) of arms as i am the first son of a first son but that a long and costly process thousands of dollars would be spent so you have a relative you have found in scotland if so have them register the arms and then you can petition for a modified version of his like adding a star or plume its much cheaper ... hey i just looked at your local and im glad to see someone in misery with me

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

i live in the us so i would have to pay for my arms to be noted by going to scotland to the court of lord lyon protesting my right to bear and then iwould actually submit for a mactrilation (abc?) of arms as i am the first son of a first son but that a long and costly process thousands of dollars would be spent so you have a relative you have found in scotland if so have them register the arms and then you can petition for a modified version of his like adding a star or plume its much cheaper ... hey i just looked at your local and im glad to see someone in misery with me

As you live in the USA you would have to prove that your ancestor, with the same last name, came from Scotland. Lord Lyon would then devise a coat of arms for you that would show your relationship to that ancestor. If you were unable to prove that relationship, then you would have three possible alternatives:

1) If your ancestor was Canadian than you might be eligible for a grant of arms in Canada.

2) As you reside in the United States (and presumably you are a US citizen) then you could apply to the Spanish heraldic authority for a grant of arms. The Spanish heraldic authority grants arms to individuals in the former Spanish possessions. As all of the New World was, at one time, a Spanish possession, you would qualify for a Spanish grant of arms.

3) You could apply for a grant of arms from the South African Bureau of Heraldry.

Of the four options available to you, I would advise you to seek arms in Spain if you do not qualify in Scotland or Canada.

[macwilkin]

2) As you reside in the United States (and presumably you are a US citizen) then you could apply to the Spanish heraldic authority for a grant of arms. The Spanish heraldic authority grants arms to individuals in the former Spanish possessions. As all of the New World was, at one time, a Spanish possession, you would qualify for a Spanish grant of arms.

Not only that, but Missouri was once a Spanish posession, i.e. Spanish Louisiana.

But, with the death of Don Vicente De Cadenas, Cronista Rey de Armas, what is the status of the Spanish Heraldic Authority?

Regards,

Todd*

*Down in Springfield

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Not only that, but Missouri was once a Spanish posession, i.e. Spanish Louisiana.

But, with the death of Don Vicente De Cadenas, Cronista Rey de Armas, what is the status of the Spanish Heraldic Authority?

Regards,

Todd*

*Down in Springfield

The Marquis de la Floresta has succeeded the late Don Vicente, and it is pretty much "business as usual". Give me a couple of days and I'll dig out his address, etc.

[macwilkin]

The Marquis de la Floresta has succeeded the late Don Vicente, and it is pretty much "business as usual". Give me a couple of days and I'll dig out his address, etc.

That's good to know! :mrgreen:

T.

[Sketraw]

The Marquis de la Floresta has succeeded the late Don Vicente, and it is pretty much "business as usual". Give me a couple of days and I'll dig out his address, etc.

I don't think that is the case Scott. No one has replaced Don Vicente and although the Marquis de la Floresta does ascertain he has the right to grant arms to individuals that is not the case as far as the Spanish Government is concerned. He does that as a private individual and does do nice renditions of arms but they are not an approved Spanish registration.

[dowofbuchanan]

ive read through most of the process of modern heraldry through and order im a part of called the order of st isidore and they show you a few heraldric societies i was just saying the steps in my post to show what you would have to do to have arms granted by the lord lyon if you had moved from scotland the easiest way to have a coat of arms in the us is to draw one up and have the image copyrighted it has no tie to nobility but it would give you an image to display if all you want is a coat of arms for shields and online banter there is also the russian college of heraldy you could use google the name i dont have the link but there is no cheap way to secure arms you werent born with its a labor that you have to want to achieve