What does the "dicing" mean?

[gilmore]

See my earlier post; what's your documentation for the statement above?

I have never seen anything reliable, save the oft-quoted heresay on the Internet, and we all know how reliable that can be.

If you have a legitmate source that documents this claim, I'd love to see it.

Regards,

Todd

From what Jock said in his post above--that is, that in his part of Scotland dicing = support for the UK government, no dicing = opposition to the UK--- the historical accuracy of this story would seem to be approaching irrelevancy.

[Nervous Jock]

From what Jock said in his post above--that is, that in his part of Scotland dicing = support for the UK government, no dicing = opposition to the UK--- the historical accuracy of this story would seem to be approaching irrelevancy.

Blackwatch, no dicing?????

[macwilkin]

Blackwatch, no dicing?????

Exactly. If the RHR, the oldest Highland regiment in the British Army, wore diced headgear, then it might be a little more believable.

I suppose it's the fact that I reside in the "show-me" state.

Todd

[Archangel]

A diced bonnet means you support the union of the Crowns in the 1700s. It indicates allegiance to the current monarch, HRH Queen Elizabeth II, and the House of Windsor. It is also used by those who are part English to indicate English blood and/or loyalties. I was taught that only sassenachs wear diced bonnets. However, in the U.S. most people do not know or care about British political history. We are Americans. Most of the people who wear diced bonnets just buy them because they feel they are stylish. Because it is no longer political, and seems to be a fashion issue, I would wear a diced bonnet if it matched my tartan.

Sounds like another wonderful North American invention. Never heard of this or anything like it relating to headgear.


Of course, you could fill many books with the things I've never heard of.

[MacWage]

I am wondering if Gilmore's post is in reference to the present Scottish independence movement. However, THAT is politics. So, I'll stay out of that.

It is interesting how romantic stories get added and then embellished to explain stuff that has NOTHING to do with the story.

So, now it has come up, where do you (anyone) have documented proof for the ORIGINS and IMPLEMENTATION of the checked band on bonnets?

[macwilkin]

I am wondering if Gilmore's post is in reference to the present Scottish independence movement. However, THAT is politics. So, I'll stay out of that.

It is interesting how romantic stories get added and then embellished to explain stuff that has NOTHING to do with the story.

So, now it has come up, where do you (anyone) have documented proof for the ORIGINS and IMPLEMENTATION of the checked band on bonnets?

John,

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

See my earlier post about historian Stuart Reid's thoughts on dicing in his book, 18th Century Highlanders.

Todd

[gilmore]

I am wondering if Gilmore's post is in reference to the present Scottish independence movement. However, THAT is politics. So, I'll stay out of that....

That's what I was surmising, from Jock's comments.

This reminds me of the great Teletubby debate of a few years ago.The Rev. Jerry Fallwell decided that one of the Teletubbies was gay because s/he carried a red purse, and that this was part of a scheme to convert the children of America. Before that, most gay people had probably never heard of Teletubbies. Afterward, you saw stuffed Teletubbies everywhere, hanging from rear view mirrors, in shop windows, etc. Tinky Winky was adopted as a gay symbol.

[Panache]

...Before that, most gay people had probably never heard of Teletubbies. Afterward, you saw stuffed Teletubbies everywhere, hanging from rear view mirrors, in shop windows, etc. Tinky Winky was adopted as a gay symbol.

But Tinky Winky is not really in the same league as say the pink triangle symbol for Gay Identity, where something has been adopted from it's original context to become a universal symbol of a particular group. Seeing a Tinky Winky doll is just as likely (if not more so) to mean that one's children are fond of Teletubbies.

If one sports a White Cockade on your hat, that is a widely recognized emblem with very specific meaning.

The hat dicing issue seems very murky in terms of historical meaning and even modern adopted meaning (sort of like school children talking about the deep underlying meaning of the green M & M's).

Cheers

Jamie

[kiltedsawyer]

But Tinky Winky is not really in the same league as say the pink triangle symbol for Gay Identity, where something has been adopted from it's original context to become a universal symbol of a particular group.

Catching up on this very interesting thread I came upon Panache's observation of the pink triangle whose symbolism I always thought interesting as it was a symbol assigned to homosexuals by the Nazi's and then adopted by the gay community, ( although reoriented to point up rather than down,) as if it were a symbol of endurance or victory, over the Nazi oppression. Or perhaps it was adopted as a "lest we forget" symbol. I can't help but wonder if this sort of adoption of the other side's symbols has any bearing on the dicing vs non-dicing issue as it seems to go back and forth, (or am I just confused.) Off topic, I've always wondered why those opposed to the confederate battle flag didn't adopt the symbol as their own, lest their struggles and oppression be forgotten. One symbol two different meanings.

[mudd]

Afterward, you saw stuffed Teletubbies everywhere, hanging from rear view mirrors,

Ahh HAA! So what does it mean when you have red and white fuzzy DICE hanging from your mirror? Hmmm? Think about it.