"LONG JOHNS" with a KILT ????

[McMurdo]

I know where Puffer's friend is heading, up into the Cascade Mountains, to a festival that is held out doors (& it is a low level exertion event). It's easy to say "Man up" but if your not use to wearing a kilt in the conditions offered up this time of year in our mountains, then I don't blame the gentleman for the desire to have some extra protection.

If the conditions are that bad, then I say dress for them, and leave the kilt at home, however if the gent in question is set on wearing the kilt then he should wear it without long johns underneath.

[BoldHighlander]

If the conditions are that bad, then I say dress for them, and leave the kilt at home, however if the gent in question is set on wearing the kilt then he should wear it without long johns underneath.

I'm not saying wear them with long johns, there are other options provided (as I provided earlier), *but* I also think folks need to give a newbie a break. At least he's making an effort.

[BoldHighlander]

Hi there.

Trade secret coming up ! My Great Uncle David Robertson (S/9365) served as L/Cpl with the 8th Batt Black Watch, 9th Scottish Div in the Great War. At home we still have his YMCA letter from the Western Front, sent home to his parents in Musselburgh, Midlothian dated December 1915. Apart from family questions home, Dave mentioned in the one-page letter that he was stationed in a sap (a cul-de-sac length of trench dug out from the main trench into No-Man's Land as a listening-post). He mentioned the intense, bitter cold, being stationary, cold and damp in a trench in mid-winter for days at a time. He then asked his mother to send over his old gardening trousers, so he could cut them off at the knees to wear under his kilt !

In fact, an order of 1916 ordered Highland battalions to wear standard British khaki issue long trousers and puttees during the coldest part of winter. Various photos show Highlanders in trousers in winter. (Apart from that, of course, transport personnel of Highland regiments always wore trousers.)

Great Uncle Dave didn't have to suffer every winter like that. He was killed on the first day of the Third Battle of The Scarpe/Arras, on 3rd May 1917, when his battalion and division took their turn to assault the Chemical Works at Roeux. He has no known grave, but is mentioned on Panel 6 of the Arras Memorial.

I doubt very much anyone told your uncle or his comrades to "man up"

As a student of WWI era Scottish regiments I thank you for this bit of information.

[McMurdo]

Terry

Agreed I do think we are closer to agreement than first imagined. You are right if he does follow the lead of those around him he should do fine.

[BoldHighlander]

Terry

Agreed I do think we are closer to agreement than first imagined. You are right if he does follow the lead of those around him he should do fine.

And I expect a full report from Puffer & photos too! (maybe Puffer can get his friend to sign up on XMarks?)

[puffer]

And I expect a full report from Puffer & photos too! (maybe Puffer can get his friend to sign up on XMarks?)

OKAY. I just got off the phone with him.
Here is the report.
1. 2 days & one night of GREAT FUN.!!
2. Was KILTED the entire time.
3. He was WARM & COMFY.
A. Temps were "mild"( low 30s in morn & night & 40s during the day.)
B. Wore a TOS for head gear,Layered for upper body ( lent hin my IC, but he only wore it one night "for style"
C. Wore Good wool Kilt hose with "soccor socks"
D. Kilt = Regimental WT.
E Under the kilt
1. started with "thermo bike shorts" but soon found them too warm.Switched to "Lygra bike shorts" = just right.

Pictures ???
They took a few pics ( not really picture buffs), & he said that he does not know if there are any of him. He will look. NOTE he did mention that a lot of people commented on th "Scotish look" & wanted pictures,

Also, it was such a great experience, he is planing on KILTING up when they go back for the Christms Event.

As to the XMS forum?? He is Know "lurking" on it.

Puffer

[BoldHighlander]

OKAY. I just got off the phone with him.
Here is the report.
1. 2 days & one night of GREAT FUN.!!
2. Was KILTED the entire time.
3. He was WARM & COMFY.
A. Temps were "mild"( low 30s in morn & night & 40s during the day.)
B. Wore a TOS for head gear,Layered for upper body ( lent hin my IC, but he only wore it one night "for style"
C. Wore Good wool Kilt hose with "soccor socks"
D. Kilt = Regimental WT.
E Under the kilt
1. started with "thermo bike shorts" but soon found them too warm.Switched to "Lygra bike shorts" = just right.

Pictures ???
They took a few pics ( not really picture buffs), & he said that he does not know if there are any of him. He will look. NOTE he did mention that a lot of people commented on th "Scotish look" & wanted pictures,

Also, it was such a great experience, he is planing on KILTING up when they go back for the Christms Event.

As to the XMS forum?? He is Know "lurking" on it.

Puffer

Bravo Puffer!!

"Lurking" huh? Get him to post an intro, if he hasn't, so we can welcome him proper

[haxtonhouse]

Have him come over here to Montana for a winter to toughen up Puffer- then He wilna feel so cold when he goes back to the tropical west coast!:
I wear my kilt even at sub zero temps, it's not so bad!

[GDub]

Long Johns? I live in the coastal region of Northern California. What I need is a wet suit!

[Rigged]

I've done it. Worn long johns under a Workman's UK while visiting my hometown of Pittsburgh during the winter. Not a very attractive look, but quite functional. The kilt does a good job of shedding falling snow. The long johns kept the nether bits warm in the chill breeze.