Women in Kilts?

**katmills2005** · 30th January 07, 03:31 PM

However, the individuals that already think you are wearing women's clothing are always going to think you are wearing women's clothing, whether the woman with you is in a kilt or no. There's not going to be any change to that mind-set, that I can see. We can't fix stupid, no matter how hard we try.

No you can't fix stupid any more than we can change another's opinion. However we can attempt to educate those unfortunate folks who don't know any better.

Kilted skirts are either overly short or overly prim. Neither would be flattering to me. I'm not saying I want to go out and wear a man's kilt but I will say that if I choose to that choice is mine. I would not expect anyone knowledgeable on this topic to reticule me or demean my right to wear a garment steeped in my own heritage.

We shouldn't be surprised if women respond to this. What alternatives do women have?

Pantyhose... that god aweful garment created by men to torment women. (just kidding guys)

**IEScotsman** · 30th January 07, 03:44 PM

Maybe I've lost sight of the friend's objective. Am I correct that she wants to wear a man's traditional kilt for reasons of comfort?

If that is the case, then we are talking about something that must be custom made. So if she is already willing to pay for a custom made garment, why not get a custom-made kilted skirt? Same tartan. Same (or even less cost). Custom tailored not just to a woman, but to HER! Wouldn't that accomplish the same goals?

**SnakeEyes** · 30th January 07, 03:53 PM

I think a part of it, for her anyways, is the heritage. We (as in members of Xmarks) know that you don't have to be scottish to wear a kilt, and you don't have to wear a kilt to be scottish. But I think in her mind theres really not much a woman can do to proudly display her scottish heritage.

**KiltedKnight** · 30th January 07, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

I think a part of it, for her anyways, is the heritage. We (as in members of Xmarks) know that you don't have to be scottish to wear a kilt, and you don't have to wear a kilt to be scottish. But I think in her mind theres really not much a woman can do to proudly display her scottish heritage.

"Heritage" is an excuse that cannot possibly work. For a woman to claim that she wants to wear a man's kilt for the sake of her heritage flies right in the face of the very defintion of the word. I won't go into writing the entire definition because I'm sure we all have a dictionary but it deals with the way things are and should be, not how someone wants them to be. A woman's Scottish heritage would have to do with what feminine articles women wore, not wanting to wear a man's kilt, so the entire discussion makes no sense.

What exactly is wrong about a kilted skirt the same cut the same length as a man's kilt would be and with the opening to the left? My own wife has never given a thought to wearing a man's kilt but loves her kilted skirts which are very elegant when worn with a feminine blouse and a sash. Even she can't understand why a woman would want to wear a man's kilt.

Just another two cents from me that I found while walking down the street trying to figure this out.

Chris.

**ccga3359** · 30th January 07, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by KiltedKnight

What exactly is wrong about a kilted skirt the same cut the same length as a man's kilt would be and with the opening to the left? My own wife has never given a thought to wearing a man's kilt but loves her kilted skirts which are very elegant when worn with a feminine blouse and a sash. Even she can't understand why a woman would want to wear a man's kilt.

Has it not been shown in this thread that a kilted skirt can have right hip buckling and still be a kilted skirt? Now you say "the same cut" & "the same length" add the buckles on the right it is still a "kilted skirt" is it not? Then could not a woman wearing a kilt actually be wearing a kilted skirt by virtue of being a women alone?

**KiltedKnight** · 30th January 07, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by ccga3359

Has it not been shown in this thread that a kilted skirt can have right hip buckling and still be a kilted skirt? Now you say "the same cut" & "the same length" add the buckles on the right it is still a "kilted skirt" is it not? Then could not a woman wearing a kilt actually be wearing a kilted skirt by virtue of being a women alone?

Perhaps you haven't noticed that men's clothing and women's clothing are made differently and have been for a couple hundred years.

A woman's blouse opens from the left and a man's shirt opens from the left. A kilted skirt opens from the left and a man's kilt opens from the right. That cannot be that difficult to understand and no matter how much anyone relies on someone else's misguided opinion about where the buckles belong, a woman's skirt, kilted or no, still opens from the left.

Chris.

**Dreadbelly** · 30th January 07, 06:17 PM

Tartan pantyhose are not outdated, just expensive

**SnakeEyes** · 30th January 07, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by KiltedKnight

"Heritage" is an excuse that cannot possibly work.

I wasn't trying to make excuses, I was trying to make sense of it for myself. Maybe it's because she's my friend, but I'm also trying to play the Devil's advocate. Instead of just saying she shouldn't because it's a man's garment or saying she should because it's a free world, I'm trying to reason. Because to tell the truth, she really hasn't given me a real reason why.

**Barry** · 31st January 07, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

Instead of just saying she shouldn't because it's a man's garment or saying she should because it's a free world, I'm trying to reason. Because to tell the truth, she really hasn't given me a real reason why.

Women don't need to give a reason.

This thread has been quite enlightening; logic, opinion, "facts". fors and againsts. But no-one seems to have mentioned the real arbiter here: Society's current view of male/female clothing. IMHO the situation in the West is that women can and do wear any garment, wether intended for them or no. Men, on the other hand are expected to wear, and generally do, clothes of a fairly narrow range which other men are also wearing i.e blokes stuff. Whereas the females are applauded or ignored when they wear man's clothes, any man daring to wear anything remotly "feminine" is immediately branded as gay or a cross dresser or a pervert.
Now I'm not saying that any of this is right or wrong. The British Prime Minister is on record as saying that no-one should tell another how to dress. I'm just trying to explain what I see as the status quo.

So, our good lady that started this little ball rolling may, can, and will wear a man's kilt and we chaps will still face unenlightened comment from "real men" when we are in our kilts and cilts. A "free world"? Not is this England it isn't.

I think this thread has run it course and should now be put to bed. It really has been great to read all the input and with such gentlemanly retraint present.

Lang may yer lum reek!

**katmills2005** · 30th January 07, 06:31 PM

So tartan pantyhose is out of the question?

I will if you will... but I may make you put on the matching pumps too.

LOL @ Dread

What exactly is wrong about a kilted skirt the same cut the same length as a man's kilt would be and with the opening to the left?

So if I am to understand correctly, the only difference you make between a kilt and kilted skirt is which side the apron falls to? Yet you say your fears are to 1) walk into Wally World and find these hanging on the racks and 2) be mistaken for wearing women's clothing while wearing a kilt.

I do not honestly believe that the type of person who would make that uneducated mistake would stop, look at which way your tartan wraps and know you were wearing a kilt, not a kilted skirt.