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27th March 26, 05:38 AM
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"Per Mare, Per Terras" "Victory or Death"
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I messaged the seller explaining that Per Mare, Per Terras meant "by sea, by land" in Latin.
Mare "sea" as in "maritime" "mariner" "marine" "submarine" (under-sea) etc.
Terras "land" as in "terrestrial" "territory" "terrain" etc.
As for "victory or death", "victory" is Latin already. I suppose native English would be "win" "overcome" etc.
As for "death" it would be "mort-" right? "Mortuary" "mortician" etc.
I've also seen MacDonald badges in Gaelic "Air Muir, Air Tir".
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27th March 26, 06:12 AM
#2
Seems correct now unless I'm looking in the wrong place.
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27th March 26, 12:28 PM
#3
Yes looks right now.
I think - and google agrees with me, that in actual Latin rather than a direct translation, 'aut vincere aut mori' would give the sense of 'either victory or death' by using the same grammatical construction for the alternative outcomes.
Anne the Pleater
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-- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
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28th March 26, 12:56 AM
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The correct Gaelic version is found in the MacDougall's motto Buaidh no Bas - Victory or Death
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28th March 26, 02:46 AM
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Interestingly, The Royal Marines(established 1664) use a similar motto "Per Mare Per Terram" . Not being a Latin scholar I don't know of the significance of the spelling between the two versions. Nevertheless, as I understand it, the meanings between the two, are the same.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 28th March 26 at 03:07 AM.
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28th March 26, 10:01 AM
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I think the terras terram difference is subtle - the only subtle thing about Romans seems to have been the language.
Rather like 'my bonnie lies over the ocean', the terras motto implies away in another country. Maybe suggesting widespread influence or presence.
The terram version has more the idea of right lads, off the boats and up that hill - as a means to get wherever.
Anne the Pleater
I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed."
-- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
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30th March 26, 07:13 PM
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 Originally Posted by Pleater
I think the terras terram difference is subtle - the only subtle thing about Romans seems to have been the language.
Rather like 'my bonnie lies over the ocean', the terras motto implies away in another country. Maybe suggesting widespread influence or presence.
The terram version has more the idea of right lads, off the boats and up that hill - as a means to get wherever.
Anne the Pleater
Terram is the singular, and terras is the plural of "the land" in this context, I think; per is "through" or "by means of", if I can trust my memory to the early 1970's.
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31st March 26, 03:26 AM
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I used to read Latin, but the text was about 1/3rd the original and then 2/3rds explanation and elucidation.
Terras implying more area or distance would be a plural.
Anne the Pleater
I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed."
-- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
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31st March 26, 04:03 AM
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Where were you Anne, when they tried to teach me, unsuccessfully, Latin, all those years ago? 
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31st March 26, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jock Scot
Where were you Anne, when they tried to teach me, unsuccessfully, Latin, all those years ago?
Probably running wild on the Pennines, avoiding game keepers and national park wardens with a Flora and the Book of British Birds. in my pockets, plus books on bugs, butterflies and other small animals in my pack. The pack still smells of the metaldehyde fuel for the little stove.
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I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed."
-- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
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