Dear Tradionalists - That's what is called deluting the concept

[Spartan Tartan]

when a kilt maker asks the customer how long to make the kilt...that is the opportunity for the buyer to specify exactly at what level they intend to wear that kilt. If you want it to fit how you want it to fit, then you need made to order and not off the rack. REGARDLESS of where you wear your kilt in terms of height... I could have a pants waisted kilt easily by specifying no rise to a kilt maker. If that is what you want, you need not wish any longer. There are members of this very forum that will do as you specify.

fyi

[adempsey10]

when a kilt maker asks the customer how long to make the kilt...that is the opportunity for the buyer to specify exactly at what level they intend to wear that kilt. If you want it to fit how you want it to fit, then you need made to order and not off the rack. REGARDLESS of where you wear your kilt in terms of height... I could have a pants waisted kilt easily by specifying no rise to a kilt maker. If that is what you want, you need not wish any longer. There are members of this very forum that will do as you specify.

fyi

I would prefer an off the rack kilt in that style. I wouldnt have a pair of jeans tailored, so I wouldnt have a kilt that I wear in lieu of jeans tailored either. It seems ridiculous to me to spend good money to have something tailored that I will likely wear while walking the dogs, or going to the pubs, or mucking about in general. Four or Five PV off the rack kilts reasonably priced at $60 - $90 would be perfect for my jean and shorts replacement needs.

I would, however, have a suit tailored. Similarly, I would have a kilt tailored and spend extra money for a kilt that I can wear on formal occasions that would normally call for suits.

[The Wizard of BC]

Unfortunately adempsey10,
If you want good quality P/V the fabric alone costs more than your $60 to $90 range.

This is why you see the low yardage kilts and why the kilts from Pakistan, with their lower labor rate, are most of what you see in your price range.

At Freedom Kilts we have tried our best to keep the cost within range without sacrificing quality. We do kilts with the waist heights our customers want but they are real kilts with swish in the pleats. Our Off-the-rack kilts can be worn for mucking about in the morning and dressed up for the evening.
But I'm sorry, I'm not WalMart.

[MacGumerait]

Unfortunately adempsey10,
If you want good quality P/V the fabric alone costs more than your $60 to $90 range.

This is why you see the low yardage kilts and why the kilts from Pakistan, with their lower labor rate, are most of what you see in your price range.

At Freedom Kilts we have tried our best to keep the cost within range without sacrificing quality. We do kilts with the waist heights our customers want but they are real kilts with swish in the pleats. Our Off-the-rack kilts can be worn for mucking about in the morning and dressed up for the evening.
But I'm sorry, I'm not WalMart.

Here , here ! I totally agree .

[Mael Coluim]

Unfortunately adempsey10,
If you want good quality P/V the fabric alone costs more than your $60 to $90 range.

This is why you see the low yardage kilts and why the kilts from Pakistan, with their lower labor rate, are most of what you see in your price range.

At Freedom Kilts we have tried our best to keep the cost within range without sacrificing quality. We do kilts with the waist heights our customers want but they are real kilts with swish in the pleats. Our Off-the-rack kilts can be worn for mucking about in the morning and dressed up for the evening.
But I'm sorry, I'm not WalMart.

Link and BOLD added to quoted word. "WalMart".

[adempsey10]

Unfortunately adempsey10,
If you want good quality P/V the fabric alone costs more than your $60 to $90 range.

This is why you see the low yardage kilts and why the kilts from Pakistan, with their lower labor rate, are most of what you see in your price range.

At Freedom Kilts we have tried our best to keep the cost within range without sacrificing quality. We do kilts with the waist heights our customers want but they are real kilts with swish in the pleats. Our Off-the-rack kilts can be worn for mucking about in the morning and dressed up for the evening.
But I'm sorry, I'm not WalMart.

I wouldn't expect you to be.

When I have the cash and I'm ready to buy a good quality kilt that will last me forever, take my word for it, I'll be coming to you. My wife and I have been through your website several times and have a budget laid out for a kilt to be ordered from you hopefully this September. Until then, my HoS kilts will suit my needs just fine. I dont worry about them falling apart or getting ruined because to me, they're just like a pair of Old Navy jeans.

I'm against tailored kilts for mucking around because in my mind I think, "Someone spent time making this and putting effort into it to make and here I am picking up dog poo and changing spark plugs on my car in it." It makes me feel like I've betrayed the craft. In the same way I wouldn't wear a sweater that my grandma made while I'm out hiking through the bush. It's a disrespect to the maker to not treat something like that with care. HoS kilts on the other hand, I could care less what happens to them while in them. They're not made with care and I dont feel bad treating them carelessly.

[MacLowlife]

I'm against tailored kilts for mucking around because in my mind I think, "Someone spent time making this and putting effort into it to make and here I am picking up dog poo and changing spark plugs on my car in it." It makes me feel like I've betrayed the craft. In the same way I wouldn't wear a sweater that my grandma made while I'm out hiking through the bush. It's a disrespect to the maker to not treat something like that with care. HoS kilts on the other hand, I could care less what happens to them while in them. They're not made with care and I dont feel bad treating them carelessly.


I understand that thinking, but it can be dangerous. When our work boots are too finely crafted to wear in the dirt, or our shovels too exquisite to shovel out stables, what do we do with them? And what do we use instead for those jobs that still must be done? Granted, changing the oil is not when you'd want to wear a five hundred GBP garment, but remember the (dare I say Historical?) origins of the kilt. It is a garment, not a ritual artifact.

Most of us are comfortable enough to afford more than one set of clothes and once you get the second set, you head down the road to specialization. But the kilt comes from a time when a man might just have the one- and he wore it, he didn't worship it. The same can be said for armies of enlisted men. I do not believe it is coincidental that people who wear certain clothes often tend to look more comfortable in them. If you buy a well-made kilt, chances are, it will last your entire lifetime. The sooner you buy, the longer you can wear it. If, by some chance, you do eventually spill something on it, well, now you know what to wear whilst cleaning up after the dog.

[cryptoman]

Unfortunately adempsey10,
If you want good quality P/V the fabric alone costs more than your $60 to $90 range.

This is why you see the low yardage kilts and why the kilts from Pakistan, with their lower labor rate, are most of what you see in your price range.

At Freedom Kilts we have tried our best to keep the cost within range without sacrificing quality. We do kilts with the waist heights our customers want but they are real kilts with swish in the pleats. Our Off-the-rack kilts can be worn for mucking about in the morning and dressed up for the evening.
But I'm sorry, I'm not WalMart.

You aren't a mass producer like UK Expo. The HoS PV kilts are good quality kilts for the price tag and the purpose of everyday wear and tear. Don't confuse good quality with high price. Kilt makers and kilt companies in Pakistan get discounts an average consumer could dream off. If you mean best quality P/V, something that lasts forever, $60+ might be plausible.

HoS kilts on the other hand, I could care less what happens to them while in them. They're not made with care and I dont feel bad treating them carelessly.

They haven't touched the magic hands of a scottish kilt maker and therefore are not worthy to called decently made - made with care. You don't have to care too much for them, because a replacement wouldn't ruin you, yeah that's a bit different than implying something is made so flawed you wouldn't even want to be seen dead in.

[cryptoman]

I understand that thinking, but it can be dangerous. When our work boots are too finely crafted to wear in the dirt, or our shovels too exquisite to shovel out stables, what do we do with them? And what do we use instead for those jobs that still must be done? Granted, changing the oil is not when you'd want to wear a five hundred GBP garment, but remember the (dare I say Historical?) origins of the kilt. It is a garment, not a ritual artifact.

If your body isn't any more made to measure, you have wasted money. If things are as well made as they should be rather than could be you have saved resources for other things in life. If you couldn't justify to spend $500 for a peace of cloth you could easily get outa shape for, you have to compromise the best quality possible for the best quality for the purpose. Let alone variety.

[adempsey10]

They haven't touched the magic hands of a scottish kilt maker and therefore are not worthy to called decently made - made with care. You don't have to care too much for them, because a replacement wouldn't ruin you, yeah that's a bit different than implying something is made so flawed you wouldn't even want to be seen dead in.

I dont think I understand your meaning. The whirly eyed fellow suggest sarcasm, but even then, I'm not sure what about.