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19th June 21, 08:10 PM
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I have thought about getting castellated hose for a while, one day I'll get a pair.
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19th June 21, 11:15 PM
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I don't own a copy but I seem to recall Scotty Thompson's So You're Going to Wear the Kilt saying somethng along the lines of 'thoe only correct hose for evening ware are Castellated Hose'. One of too many definitive statements in his book.
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20th June 21, 01:03 AM
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I seem to recall that in the distant past, Matt Newsome posted on this website a good picture of himself wearing this type of hose and the garter ties.
I cannot say that I have worked up much enthusiasm for that style of hose though and try as I might, I cannot recall anyone actually wearing them for real here in Scotland.
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20th June 21, 01:24 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I seem to recall that in the distant past, Matt Newsome posted on this website a good picture of himself wearing this type of hose and the garter ties.
That's correct, this image is from his post here: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...es-hose-58376/
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20th June 21, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by figheadair
So You're Going to Wear the Kilt saying something along the lines of 'the only correct hose for evening wear are Castellated Hose'.
How silly!
They seem always to have been somewhat rare, a bit over-the-top.
What I wonder is, could the Allen brothers have invented the things? Perhaps by analogy with the castellated clothing trope encountered in modern depictions of the Middle Ages?
If not invent, the Allen Brothers may have done much to make them more popular.
Last edited by OC Richard; 20th June 21 at 09:37 PM.
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20th June 21, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
If not invent, the Allen Brothers may have done much to make them more popular.
Agreed Richard. There Costume of the Clans featured catellated type hose.
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21st June 21, 05:14 PM
#7
Originally Posted by figheadair
Agreed Richard. There Costume of the Clans featured catellated type hose.
Wow. Is there any historicity to that outfit? Or is it from the Allen Brothers imagination?
Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte
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21st June 21, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
Wow. Is there any historicity to that outfit? Or is it from the Allen Brothers imagination?
I think this is a classic example of the Allen Brothers using an existing portrait and letting their imagination run wild. In this case, I'm sure that the Mungo Murray portrait was the source. The arrangement of the plaid, the doublet, hose and the ostrich feather bonnet are all similar.
Another from Costume of the Clans, this one is based on the portrait of Lord Duffus.
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22nd June 21, 06:07 AM
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Wow they did let their imagination run wild with the Murray portrait! I didn't recognise it.
The Lord Duffus one stays closer to the source, but still, why not reproduce the original? Rather than re-imagining it?
Obviously taking original period iconography, embellishing it, and presenting the embellished version as historical, flies in the face of proper methodology.
Those re-imaginings do give us a bit of insight into the way their minds worked: play fast-and-loose with the facts, and present their own creations as being historical.
In any case the Allens' creations get us no closer to the origin of the castellated hose.
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21st June 21, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
How silly!
They seem always to have been somewhat rare, a bit over-the-top.
What I wonder is, could the Allen brothers have invented the things? Perhaps by analogy with the castellated clothing trope encountered in modern depictions of the Middle Ages?
If not invent, the Allen Brothers may have done much to make them more popular.
Not just modern depictions. Castellated hoods and tunics were common in the High Middle Ages among the upper classes. The style is usually called "dagged" or "crenellated" in this context. If you scroll down on the following page and click on the "Historical Inspirations" down-arrow, you'll see some renderings from period paintings.
https://revivalclothing.com/product/...-3f737b1f-9d6f
As to what inspired the Allen brothers, I can't say.
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