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29th February 08, 04:55 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
Not before time!It is a shame that the situation has arrived at this point,but there we go.What does this mean,if this succeeds,for the fine(as opposed to the rubbish) kilt makers in the rest of the world,I wonder?
I read it that only kilts made in Scotland can be called Scottish but can't see anything to stop anyone elsewhere calling what they make a kilt, just not pass it off as Scottish. What is wrong with following the Welsh way of calling their garments Cilts to show the distinction?
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29th February 08, 05:08 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by Phil
What is wrong with following the Welsh way of calling their garments Cilts to show the distinction?
I see a potential problem there, but I can't explain on a family friendly forum. And besides, if I read correctly, it would still allow calling them kilts, just not "scottish kilts"
This is a bad idea, and I doubt it would help anyway. People buy cheap kilts because they don't want to spend a fortune on a handmade wool kilt, when they just want something to wear in a bar or at a game. Controlling the label will not make people more accepting of the high price of the traditional kilt.
If it weren't for the cheap kilts these people seem to despise, I and many others wouldn't be kilted at all. I'd rather see cheap kilts for the masses than expensive luxury items most people can't reasonably afford.
And besides, is a kilt less of a kilt if it was sewn by someone in America or canada, or anywhere else in the world?
I say let the people choose for themselves.
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29th February 08, 06:00 AM
#3
You can't copyright an article of clothing. Can you? That's like copyrighting a t-shirt.
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29th February 08, 06:40 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by GreenDragon
You can't copyright an article of clothing. Can you? That's like copyrighting a t-shirt.
I think it's more in the name than the actual garment itself. They don't want so called "shoddy pieces of garbage" labeled as "Scottish."
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29th February 08, 06:58 AM
#5
A rose by any other name
From Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, 1594:
JULIET:
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.
John
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29th February 08, 07:10 AM
#6
I think it would be difficult to claim copyright for a kilt and could create more problems than it solves.
Also many will see it as sour grapes against a business rival - I am sure that is not Howie's intention.
Attacking the misleading labelling and insisting upon country of origin and information upon the fibres would be a better tack. No doubt they would find some way of getting a Scottish reference in like "Scottish style kilt" or whatever but the rest of the information would remove any misunderstanding.
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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29th February 08, 07:24 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by McClef
Attacking the misleading labelling and insisting upon country of origin and information upon the fibres would be a better tack. No doubt they would find some way of getting a Scottish reference in like "Scottish style kilt" or whatever but the rest of the information would remove any misunderstanding.
Hear, hear!
Kilted Teacher and Wilderness Ranger and proud member of Clan Donald, USA
Happy patron of Jack of the Wood Celtic Pub and Highland Brewery in beautiful, walkable, and very kilt-friendly Asheville, NC.
New home of Sierra Nevada AND New Belgium breweries!
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29th February 08, 07:26 AM
#8
It's kinda like copyrighting blue jeans
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29th February 08, 07:36 AM
#9
On the one hand, I certainly can see their point -- but, as others have pointed out, there are quality kiltmakers outside of Scotland who make just as good of a kilt. Of course,the difference is that many of these kiltmakers are not making false claims of "kilts designed in Scotland" that the tartan tat trade is doing.
Even Prince Charles owns a RCAF tartan kilt, made for him by Burnett & Struth in Ontario.
While I agree with it in principle, I do have some misgivings about the practical side of it.
T.
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29th February 08, 08:50 AM
#10
'Scotch' is already protected....
ya cannae mak whisky outside Scotland an' ca' it 'Scotch'...
actually so arr 'Whisky, Champagne, Bourbon, Abroath Smokies, Port' and many other things...
this is yet anither thing that needs tae bae defined.
A Scottish Kilt is a Scottish Kilt.
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