This has been a very interesting discussion, and for the most part understanding of each other's views.
But I think that part of the discussion centres on what is "proper dress"... it was the post of TheScot made me think, when he said... I am old, overly traditional in dress, and still cling to thoughts of proper dress, civility, and a sense of style that goes beyond beyond tee shirts, jeans, and ball caps. I don't want to think that any of us who don't follow all of that, are any less civil, or polite. in fact wearing any sort of garment should not change our beliefs or actions, and I suppose somewhere in the depths of my mind I don't like the thought that just because someone is "smartly"dressed , that makes them more polite, many case I found it quite the opposite.
I'm sure we all come from different traditions, and have different ideas of what is right and proper,so I suppose I am asking that those who do wear that sort of "proper dress" wouldn't think that those who don't are any less polite, or any less able to wear what they like.