Totally understand and completely agree...However, I don't have any technigue to guage as a baseline, having never been to the games and only watching videos...I've always heard that perfect practice makes perfect...How do I know if I'm doing anything right or wrong?

Personally, I feel like I'm ok, because there is no pain and I haven't injured myself practicing, but then, who's to say, I'm not pushing myself hard enough? Im not sure if you remember me Alan, but I'm the guy who competed in the logging games for several years and we have the same credo that you mentioned above particularly when it comes to buying the beer.

Chase