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15th November 09, 07:39 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by MartinGrenoble
[I]I did the same thing as Ham -- with the same tartan, as it happens -- after fighting with far too many yards of cloth, ... Later, I too had half the cloth made into a tailored kilt,
Martin, it sounds as though you and Hamish had too much fabric. 4 or 5 double-width yards is about average. If you were trying to work with 7 or 8 yards, then I'm not surprised if it was unwieldy.
Ken Sallenger - apprentice kiltmaker, journeyman curmudgeon,
gainfully unemployed systems programmer
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15th November 09, 08:12 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by fluter
Martin, it sounds as though you and Hamish had too much fabric. 4 or 5 double-width yards is about average. If you were trying to work with 7 or 8 yards, then I'm not surprised if it was unwieldy. 
My first attempt was using almost 7 1/2 yards of material and I felt like I was "drowning in tartan"
Cheers
Jamie :ootd:
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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15th November 09, 09:24 AM
#3
It's interesting to note that in the early decades of the tailored "little kilt" it was considered a working garment. It was indeed "fatigue" dress in the highland regiments. The belted plaid was the more formal, "dressier" item of highland garb.
Now it's been largely relegated to costume status, though it certainly can still work quite well for formal occasions, as Mr. Killman's photo shows. I believe Matt Newsome also has some pics showing the belted plaid looking great in a "modern" context....
Brian
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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17th November 09, 04:54 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by Woodsheal
It's interesting to note that in the early decades of the tailored "little kilt" it was considered a working garment. It was indeed "fatigue" dress in the highland regiments. The belted plaid was the more formal, "dressier" item of highland garb.
Now it's been largely relegated to costume status, though it certainly can still work quite well for formal occasions, as Mr. Killman's photo shows. I believe Matt Newsome also has some pics showing the belted plaid looking great in a "modern" context....
Yes, I do, from a Burns Supper in 2007.
I think that a belted plaid can work in a modern, formal context. But it can be done poorly, as well. Keep in mind that you are taking a garment that really hasn't been part of the contemporary dress for a couple of hundred years and you are trying to incorporate it into modern clothing. Attempts to blend the two can look very elegant, or ridiculous!
Here was my attempt a couple of years ago (taken in my living room before leaving for the Burns Supper):


I was satisfied with how the outfit turned out, but not ideally so. What would I have done different? Ideally, I would rather have paired the great kilt with a more formal doublet, such as a Sheriffmuir or a Montrose. But a black Argyle was what I had, so that's what I wore. I also would have rather worn a more historically themed cravat or jabot (as apporpriate with the doublet), than the modern neck tie you see me wearing. Lastly, I think buckle brogues would have looked better here than ghillies.
Since that time I have acquired some of those things -- buckle brogues, a nice silk cravat, etc. Still don't have a Sheriffmuir -- yet!
But I have also since that time turned that belted plaid into a nice tailored kilt! :-)

(You can see the buckle brogues and cravat in this picture).
I do also have a "half belted-plaid" that I can wear with my Carolina kilt to give the impression of a great kilt. My Carolina kilt is a tailored, four yard, box pleated kilt. But when worn with the half plaid it does really look rather like a great kilt. (See my blog post for more background and pics).
Here I am wearing it to a Burns Supper in Atlanta last year (with my lovely wife).

On my blog posting you can see it being worn in a less formal context. I think it looks fine, if a bit theatrical. I certainly don't wear it every day! But if you want a plaid that mimics the look of the older great kilt, this is the way to go.
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17th November 09, 08:38 AM
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Matt,
What are the dimensions on the upper (separate, I assume) piece of Carolina Tartan?
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17th November 09, 08:53 AM
#6
Heck of a plaid that is, Matt.
...oh, and it's 54" by two yards, kerr. Check out the blog post.
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15th November 09, 11:44 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by fluter
Martin, it sounds as though you and Hamish had too much fabric. 4 or 5 double-width yards is about average. If you were trying to work with 7 or 8 yards, then I'm not surprised if it was unwieldy. 
Mine was 6 yards, double-width, 13oz. However, it was not the weight or bulk that worried me but the overall appearance. At the time of ordering, I thought I would be the absolute bee's knees when wearing it - unfortunately, in reality, I was not even close to the gnat's knees!
No offence is intended but I am sorry I do not really think these look 'right' or are flattering to anyone (especially me) unless they are an extra in 'Brigadoon' or 'Braveheart', or are taking part in an historical pageant. Accessories such as modern haircuts, reading glasses and watches do nothing to improve matters either!
Oooops! Now I probably have offended some of my good friends here!
Take care,
Ham.
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15th November 09, 12:10 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by Hamish
No offence is intended but I am sorry I do not really think these look 'right' or are flattering to anyone (especially me) unless they are an extra in 'Brigadoon' or 'Braveheart', or are taking part in an historical pageant. Accessories such as modern haircuts, reading glasses and watches do nothing to improve matters either!
Oooops! Now I probably have offended some of my good friends here!
Take care,
Ham.
my thoughts exactly Hamish, I am glad you voiced them, or I might have been accused of being rude again
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15th November 09, 12:29 PM
#9
 Originally Posted by Hamish
At the time of ordering, I thought I would be the absolute bee's knees when wearing it - unfortunately, in reality, I was not even close to the gnat's knees!
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Snap !
We obviously thought -- and think -- along the same lines, Ham.
Martin
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15th November 09, 04:21 PM
#10
Move along, laddies. The thread asks to show your photos of the great kilt.
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