Belted plaid with a drawstring.

**Herr Doktor** · 26th May 11, 10:13 AM

Goeie dag South Afrika!

Tag Berlin!

"It's proving a challenge to write this one up but hope to have it done shortly."

Peter I am looking forward to seeing what you have found in researching this artefact. It should I hope, prove to be most helpful in aiding myself and others in reconstructing an historically accurate drawstring secured kilt.Thank you again for all your times and research.

Brian, your experiments with the drawstring sound most intriguing. And that you have had good success with them as well. I too would like, if at all possible, to see some photographs detailing the process you have used. Is this possible?

Many thanks to all who have responded to this post!

Oh and to Mike, would it be possible to start another thread for information on the Austrian tartans, including an artefact recovered at the Hallstatt site in Österreich? I have a soft spot for the Salzburg area.

Tschüß!

**figheadair** · 27th May 11, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Herr Doktor

Peter I am looking forward to seeing what you have found in researching this artefact. It should I hope, prove to be most helpful in aiding myself and others in reconstructing an historically accurate drawstring secured kilt.Thank you again for all your times and research.

Here it is. Hope it makes sense - http://www.scottishtartans.co.uk/A_H..._MacGregor.pdf

**xman** · 27th May 11, 10:46 AM

Thank-you, Peter. Very enlightening.

**Morris at Heathfield** · 27th May 11, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Herr Doktor

Oh and to Mike, would it be possible to start another thread for information on the Austrian tartans, including an artefact recovered at the Hallstatt site in Österreich? I have a soft spot for the Salzburg area.

That sounds like a good thread for The Tartan Place forum. There is a bit of confusion on the subject that could stand to be cleared up. Were you aware of the Austrian tartans, or was this the first you'd heard of them?

**Sir William** · 28th May 11, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Herr Doktor

Oh and to Mike, would it be possible to start another thread for information on the Austrian tartans, including an artefact recovered at the Hallstatt site in Österreich? I have a soft spot for the Salzburg area.

Tschüß!

I lived in Graz for a year so I've sometimes thought about getting the Steirmark tartan.

**Mike_Oettle** · 29th May 11, 04:39 AM

At Herr Doktor’s request, a posting on Austrian tartans:
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...tartans-66758/

And my thanks to Peter for the fascinating article on the belted plaid. I look forward to the companion article.
Regards,
Mike

**Brasilikilt** · 10th June 11, 09:17 AM

I really feel as though I should thank you for your research and hard work in putting all this information together.
For the longest time I had been wanting to know about the BP drawstring, and how exactly it was done.
Thanks to you, no longer am I going to have to be on my knees at an event having to do the same laborious task of pleating 4-6 yards time and time again.

Would you be able to offer any insight as to what they used for the actual tape which forms the loops?

**figheadair** · 10th June 11, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Brasilikilt

I really feel as though I should thank you for your research and hard work in putting all this information together.
For the longest time I had been wanting to know about the BP drawstring, and how exactly it was done.
Thanks to you, no longer am I going to have to be on my knees at an event having to do the same laborious task of pleating 4-6 yards time and time again.

Would you be able to offer any insight as to what they used for the actual tape which forms the loops?

You're welcome. I feel that it's important to make this sort of stuff available to ensure that it's not lost. Imagine if you will a fire in which it or something similar was destroyed - we'd never know.

It's not the best qaulity I'm afraid but here's a close up of the tape.

It's a narrow herrngboned cotton material. I don't know what the technical term for it is but it reminds me of a narrower version of the bands we used to wear when I was at Primary School (5-11) during team games to indicate which side one was on.

**Herr Doktor** · 12th June 11, 03:39 PM

Guten Abend!

At long last my computer has awakened from its coma! A GCS 9 = E2 V3 M4 (Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS)) and I had my doubts whether the patient would pull through. Would there be a partial or total memory loss? Would poor Mr. Vista have to be sent out to live in the back garden with the other vegetables, and spend his last days just sitting there drooling MS-DOS from his hard drive???

No! He lives and can still remember all those codes and important things and does not scream ERROR 404 and go all black and pouty when you ask him to reboot! Grüß Gott!!!!!!!!

So now I can properly thank Peter for his most informative paper on the John Murray MacGregor plaid. Extremely well written, and I found the illustrations were especially helpful in the understanding of the process. I too look forward to the companion article. The next step will to be make a mock up of the kilt in small scale to see how the system wants to work, and as is my nature try a few ‘tweaks’ of my own to see if I can make it more efficient. Ordnung muß sein! What can I say?

Danke sehr Mike! For the link to the post on the Austrian tartans! I will try to find some time this week to look into them. And no, I was not previously aware of the Austrian tartans. There, I have learned something new this week, it has not been a total loss.

Thank you all for your contribution to this tread.

Tschüß!

**Fitzy** · 12th June 11, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by figheadair

You're welcome. I feel that it's important to make this sort of stuff available to ensure that it's not lost. Imagine if you will a fire in which it or something similar was destroyed - we'd never know.

It's not the best qaulity I'm afraid but here's a close up of the tape.

It's a narrow herrngboned cotton material. I don't know what the technical term for it is but it reminds me of a narrower version of the bands we used to wear when I was at Primary School (5-11) during team games to indicate which side one was on.

Cotton in herringbone pattern - we call it "twill tape" on this side of the pond. It's used in many things and comes in various widths and weights.

One of which I'm familiar with is, it was used from the earlest days as listings (anchor points) in auto upholstery, and is still used to this day by many shops who recover auto seats.

Neat idea ! For anyone wanting to do the same, there are companies that sell it on-line. Here's a couple I've used.

http://www.jkmribbon.com/store/catal...ll-tape,78.htm
http://www.twilltape.com/servlet/the...ll-tape/Detail

Paul.