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10th June 11, 09:18 PM
#1
 Originally Posted by Brasilikilt
I really feel as though I should thank you for your research and hard work in putting all this information together.
For the longest time I had been wanting to know about the BP drawstring, and how exactly it was done.
Thanks to you, no longer am I going to have to be on my knees at an event having to do the same laborious task of pleating 4-6 yards time and time again.
Would you be able to offer any insight as to what they used for the actual tape which forms the loops?
You're welcome. I feel that it's important to make this sort of stuff available to ensure that it's not lost. Imagine if you will a fire in which it or something similar was destroyed - we'd never know.
It's not the best qaulity I'm afraid but here's a close up of the tape.

It's a narrow herrngboned cotton material. I don't know what the technical term for it is but it reminds me of a narrower version of the bands we used to wear when I was at Primary School (5-11) during team games to indicate which side one was on.
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12th June 11, 03:39 PM
#2
Guten Abend!
At long last my computer has awakened from its coma! A GCS 9 = E2 V3 M4 (Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS)) and I had my doubts whether the patient would pull through. Would there be a partial or total memory loss? Would poor Mr. Vista have to be sent out to live in the back garden with the other vegetables, and spend his last days just sitting there drooling MS-DOS from his hard drive???
No! He lives and can still remember all those codes and important things and does not scream ERROR 404 and go all black and pouty when you ask him to reboot! Grüß Gott!!!!!!!!
So now I can properly thank Peter for his most informative paper on the John Murray MacGregor plaid. Extremely well written, and I found the illustrations were especially helpful in the understanding of the process. I too look forward to the companion article. The next step will to be make a mock up of the kilt in small scale to see how the system wants to work, and as is my nature try a few ‘tweaks’ of my own to see if I can make it more efficient. Ordnung muß sein! What can I say?
Danke sehr Mike! For the link to the post on the Austrian tartans! I will try to find some time this week to look into them. And no, I was not previously aware of the Austrian tartans. There, I have learned something new this week, it has not been a total loss.
Thank you all for your contribution to this tread.
Tschüß!
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12th June 11, 04:23 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by figheadair
You're welcome. I feel that it's important to make this sort of stuff available to ensure that it's not lost. Imagine if you will a fire in which it or something similar was destroyed - we'd never know.
It's not the best qaulity I'm afraid but here's a close up of the tape.
It's a narrow herrngboned cotton material. I don't know what the technical term for it is but it reminds me of a narrower version of the bands we used to wear when I was at Primary School (5-11) during team games to indicate which side one was on.
Cotton in herringbone pattern - we call it "twill tape" on this side of the pond. It's used in many things and comes in various widths and weights.
One of which I'm familiar with is, it was used from the earlest days as listings (anchor points) in auto upholstery, and is still used to this day by many shops who recover auto seats.
Neat idea ! For anyone wanting to do the same, there are companies that sell it on-line. Here's a couple I've used.
http://www.jkmribbon.com/store/catal...ll-tape,78.htm
http://www.twilltape.com/servlet/the...ll-tape/Detail
Paul.
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14th June 11, 03:09 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by figheadair
You're welcome. I feel that it's important to make this sort of stuff available to ensure that it's not lost. Imagine if you will a fire in which it or something similar was destroyed - we'd never know.
It's not the best qaulity I'm afraid but here's a close up of the tape.
It's a narrow herrngboned cotton material. I don't know what the technical term for it is but it reminds me of a narrower version of the bands we used to wear when I was at Primary School (5-11) during team games to indicate which side one was on.
Ahhh....thanks for the pic, and the description. I will look for anything like this among my supplies.
Is the tape similar in weight and feel to standard denim perhaps?
Even with thicker weight cloth tape, it seems like it might fray, or wear through.
I was thinking about possibly using a thinner leather, although I have no idea if there is any historical precedence for this.
thanks again......I will be needing to start the arduous task of stitching in the loops on my 4.5 yarder soon :-)
Wear your kilt proudly, but carry a big stick
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14th June 11, 04:05 PM
#5
 Originally Posted by Brasilikilt
Ahhh....thanks for the pic, and the description. I will look for anything like this among my supplies.
Is the tape similar in weight and feel to standard denim perhaps?
Even with thicker weight cloth tape, it seems like it might fray, or wear through.
I was thinking about possibly using a thinner leather, although I have no idea if there is any historical precedence for this.
thanks again......I will be needing to start the arduous task of stitching in the loops on my 4.5 yarder soon :-)
Brasilikilt,
Yes, twill tape can be similar to the various weights of denum, and even heavier. But, unlike denum and other woven fabrics, the herringbone weave of twill tape helps reduce the cut ends fraying all the way back to a stitch line if you choose not to hem the ends.
Plus, twill tape is rather strong for it's weight.
Looking at the picture, I get the impression that they used lighter weight twill tape than I use in my auto upholstery work.
What surprises me is that I was not aware the use of twill tape was that early.
Paul.
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21st June 11, 03:39 PM
#6
Hmm I thought I already posted this, but here goes.
I wasn't able to find any comparable material amongst my supplies, so I went to Joann's fabric and got a few yards of this stuff for around 80 cents/yd.

It looks like the right stuff, if not, it'll still do the job nicely.
It's cotton and dye-able to match tartan colors. It's going to be a lot of work to get all of them sewn on, but much preferable to the alternative. :-)
Wear your kilt proudly, but carry a big stick
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