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16th February 08, 09:12 AM
#1
This thread Has gone close to the edge many times . So that it doesn't end up in the morgue I'm closing it
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11th February 08, 08:09 PM
#2
Don't feel too bad, ChromeScholar...I had a guy I know tell me, when after he learned I wore kilts: "If I ever caught any of my boys wearing a dress, I'd kill him."
It's just ignorance. So don't worry or fret over it at all.
Clan Campbell ~ "Ne Obliviscaris"
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12th February 08, 07:31 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by Rex_Tremende
......So, you see here that, at the time, women were required to wear négligées and men were required to wear towels. ....
That was good.
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12th February 08, 08:39 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by Rex_Tremende
The proscription is in Deuteronomy, so that would make it Jewish law - a bit older. So, you see here that, at the time, women were required to wear négligées and men were required to wear towels.
I don't care to wear a towel, but maybe we could get back to the girls in nighties.
Just remember when faced with folks like that--and this from another minister--you really can't fix stupid!
Jim Killman
Writer, Philosopher, Teacher of English and Math, Soldier of Fortune, Bon Vivant, Heart Transplant Recipient, Knight of St. Andrew (among other knighthoods)
Freedom is not free, but the US Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
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12th February 08, 11:05 PM
#5
 Originally Posted by Rex_Tremende
The proscription is in Deuteronomy, so that would make it Jewish law - a bit older. So, you see here that, at the time, women were required to wear négligées and men were required to wear towels.
Hmm... are you sure that's a biblical scene, because I could swear that's a picture from this bar down the street...
 Originally Posted by beowulf67
There will always be small and closed-minded people everywhere. And not just religious people. I feel sorry for them because they are stuck in their little world and ,I think, are afraid to expose themselves to things they don't understand. Where I live we generally refer to these people as "rednecks". They all aren't as funny as Larry the Cable Guy.
Isn't that like saying they're not all as normal as Michael Jackson?
But back on topic. People who have a religious objection to the kilt don't understand that their religion is not an endorsement of every aspect of their culture. That or they honestly don't know what a kilt is. In either case they would be better off keeping their mouths shut. They will certainly appear smarter that way.
When I encounter people who feel the need to explain why god is mad at everyone else, there a few responses I like to use:
If they are bad mouthing the kilt, I usually say "show me the verse that says jesus wore jeans, and I will burn this kilt right now"
If they are getting all self-righteous and condemning others for breaking some rule, I usually like to explain to them that if there is one thing you can find Jesus getting pissed off about, it's self-righteous @$$holes who treat us sinners like scum and ignore the fact that they are no better. Alternatively, I will sometimes pick up a rock and hand it to them, and when the ask what it's for I tell them "oh, that's the first stone."
If they are referencing some obscure rule in the old testament, I might point them to certain new testament verses which explain about the law and Christianity, but since they rarely listen, I prefer to simply call them on wearing clothes made from mixed fibers, which as they should know, is against the rules.
If they are doing the old "if you do that you will go to hell" routine, I usually respond with "so what you're saying is... Jesus died in vain?"
If someone says you shouldn't wear women's clothing, a good way to respond is with "that's good advice" and for as long as possible, act like you have no idea that he is referring to your kilt.
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11th February 08, 08:29 PM
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I'm not fretting over it. I meet morons on a daily basis.
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11th February 08, 09:46 PM
#7
I had an experience similar to this and I regret trying to be diplomatic about it. I think that I'm through with that approach. I was in Austin (Texas) for the weekend visiting family and attending a Flogging Molly concert at Stubb's. I met up with a friend afterwards and we proceeded to hit up a few bars.
We walked into a little dive on 7th street and someone taps me on the shoulder and asks me if I'm from Scotland; the usual type of question. I answer "no" and explain the origin of my initial interest in wearing kilts. You've got your patent response, we all do here.
This happened last week and I forget the exact line of questioning used but to make a long story short...and I am trying to clean up my language, this [female dog] who moved away from Glasgow last year thought that I was a fake for wearing a kilt and only those born in Scotland should be allowed to wear kilts. I employed every once of tact and all of the defenses I've picked up here on the forum but to no avail and I finally realized that I was getting NOWHERE as this elitist, racist individual looked away when she responded. So I walked away after thanking her for her blessing, albeit sarcastically. After all, sarcasm is a second language to me.
But I guess that was a bad experience because in these negative situations I now feel that should abandon a diplomatic approach in lieu of a less friendly response because clearly if they approach me with a negative attitude then there’s no chance whatsoever that I will convince them of my reasoning. Because there’s a huge difference between “I thought only people from Scotland wore kilts” and “I think only people from Scotland should wear kilts”. Don’t we all agree on that?
Well I’ve never wanted to pour a drink on a person more in my life she but was surrounded by guys, I didn’t have a drink yet and my only backup in a barfight was too knackered to be of any assistance. Because if you’ve never been in a fight with a woman, how do you know what you’re really capable of? I may be getting way off base here.
But back to reality. I think that it’s best to employ a diplomatic response in 99.9% of social interactions. In the other percentage, it’s probably best to just go with your instincts because you might regret it later.
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11th February 08, 09:58 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by Confused.Nihilist
I finally realized that I was getting NOWHERE as this elitist, racist individual looked away when she responded. .
I find that the Japanese are the same way about their traditional loin cloth, the fundoshi. They think it should remain theirs alone. That's okay though. I wasn't planning on wearing a fundoshi in public any time soon.
What Scots fail to understand sometimes is that there are enough Celtic people in the states to take on all the empire and maybe even Mann, too.
Last edited by Roan Carter; 11th February 08 at 09:59 PM.
Reason: typo
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11th February 08, 08:59 PM
#9
Ah, we're all just trying to muddle through life as best we can. Doesn't mean we can't laugh at each other and ourselves.
I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…
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12th February 08, 09:30 PM
#10
 Originally Posted by Ted Crocker
Ah, we're all just trying to muddle through life as best we can. Doesn't mean we can't laugh at each other and ourselves.
Well said. Very well said.
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