Black Tie means a bow tie not a black coloured tie

[Panache]

Just to be clear

I should also note that some events are "Black tie" optional.

If so it would be poor manners for those in formal attire to in anyway shape or form to look down on or think less of those in semi formal attire.

Cheers

Jamie

[Spc. Scott]

Just to be clear

I should also note that some events are "Black tie" optional.

If so it would be poor manners for those in formal attire to in anyway shape or form to look down on or think less of those in semi formal attire.

Cheers

Jamie

Jamie nails it here. In my opinion it is far worse for someone to look down on another than it is to be wearing your best and still be under-dressed.

[davedove]

Everyone must be careful, because "snobbery" can go both ways. It is just as bad for someone to look down on those who are "unrefined" as it is for the other side to look down on those who are "dandies".

Some people can't be bothered to get dressed up and attend formal events, or just don't have the occasion to do so. I say that's fine, but I also think they're missing out on an experience.

I was raised in rural southern Illinois. My relatives were for the most part farm folk. My dad over the years raised horses, cattle, and even pigs, yet he owned a suit for nicer events. Granted, I don't think he ever wore a tuxedo, but he would have if the occasion warranted.

I have the occasion to get dressed up formally once or twice a year, usually on cruises, but sometimes other events. I wouldn't want to dress that way all the time, and generally don't even care to wear a tie, but I enjoy doing it at those times because it's something special.

Dressing appropriately is not about being superior, it's about respecting the host of the event.

[macwilkin]

Everyone must be careful, because "snobbery" can go both ways. It is just as bad for someone to look down on those who are "unrefined" as it is for the other side to look down on those who are "dandies".

Some people can't be bothered to get dressed up and attend formal events, or just don't have the occasion to do so. I say that's fine, but I also think they're missing out on an experience.

I was raised in rural southern Illinois. My relatives were for the most part farm folk. My dad over the years raised horses, cattle, and even pigs, yet he owned a suit for nicer events. Granted, I don't think he ever wore a tuxedo, but he would have if the occasion warranted.

I have the occasion to get dressed up formally once or twice a year, usually on cruises, but sometimes other events. I wouldn't want to dress that way all the time, and generally don't even care to wear a tie, but I enjoy doing it at those times because it's something special.

Dressing appropriately is not about being superior, it's about respecting the host of the event.

And thank you, Dave, for understanding my point.

Todd

[macwilkin]

And you, also, neglected to see that I was going for "over the top" to make my point. Note to self--folks around here don't understand my literary devices.

My apologies if I didn't understand your literary devices. My point was that your "literary device" in saying "too many" people who wear black tie & attend formal events were judgemental of you is not fair to everyone who does, nor is it absolutely correct.

Regards,

Todd

[bikeolounger]

My apologies if I didn't understand your literary devices. My point was that your "literary device" in saying "too many" people who wear black tie & attend formal events were judgemental of you is not fair to everyone who does, nor is it absolutely correct.

Regards,

Todd

Again, with due respect: "Any" snobbery, in either direction, could be considered "too much." As such, I was indeed correct in my statement. As for people judging me personally, it has happened. I have witnessed it. No, it is not an indictment of others who wear formal attire. Nor was it meant to be.

Remember: a subset of the whole is not necessarily a majority. "Too many" can be ten out of a thousand as easily as it can be ten out of eleven.

[macwilkin]

Again, with due respect: "Any" snobbery, in either direction, could be considered "too much." As such, I was indeed correct in my statement.

As for people judging me personally, it has happened. I have witnessed it. No, it is not an indictment of others who wear formal attire. Nor was it meant to be.

Remember: a subset of the whole is not necessarily a majority. "Too many" can be ten out of a thousand as easily as it can be ten out of eleven.

Fair enough; I certainly won't disagree with you that any snobbery is "too much", and I hope you'll agree with me that "inverse snobbery" is just as bad.

Sound fair?

Todd

[Smayniac]

Some people can't be bothered to get dressed up and attend formal events, or just don't have the occasion to do so. I say that's fine, but I also think they're missing out on an experience.

I was raised in rural southern Illinois. My relatives were for the most part farm folk. My dad over the years raised horses, cattle, and even pigs, yet he owned a suit for nicer events. Granted, I don't think he ever wore a tuxedo, but he would have if the occasion warranted.

Dressing appropriately is not about being superior, it's about respecting the host of the event.

I'm with Dave here, while I own bits and pieces of formal kit, I have few occasions to use them. I find though, that I am often the sole tie wearer at a family holiday gathering, sometimes joined by young Scooby, who still enjoys the novelty of "dressing up."



I enjoy wearing a tie, and given the odd appropriate occasion, would enjoy wearing "real" black tie too.

Bob

[David Dubh]

So I'm not sure why this is being flogged so much. Black tie means black bow tie. White tie means white bow tie, if your scottish white lace jabot can be used (see Sir Sean Connery being gonged). When you receive an invitation dress appropriately!! If it says black tie then that is what is expected, formal wear is usually suite or higher. If the invite is to a picnic of horse riding then you aren't going to wear black tie. But please dress in clean non holed clothing, don't wear your pj's and slippers (this is a disturbing trend)

[Ruanaidh]

Sasha Baron Cohen"s Ali G is the Chav Supreme. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fOIM1_xOSro